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    I don’t understand how it’s not a requirement to pass these safety regulations before manufacture. How can a company fully produce and sell a dangerous product as big and complicated as a car before someone regulatory sees it and cuts it off at the head?

    This alone has left me with zero faith in pretty much anything I buy anymore. It’s like it’s a surprise when something works as advertised anymore.

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        and I am very disappointed in my country for it

        of course, they also allow unlimited brightness headlights (or at least near enough), so it shouldn’t be a surprise that they don’t give a fuck about people outside of the vehicle

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      The more you learn about America, the more you understand they give 0 fucks about the people. It’s a capitalistic nightmare where corporations have no accountability.

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      I’m not in the industry and I’m not in the EU, but it was obvious that this ridiculous monstrosity wouldn’t pass the most basic safety regulations in the UK and EU. There are rules about having soft edges for collisions with pedestrians. Tesla completely ignored these despite begging aware of the regulations for the multiple other cars they sell here successfully.

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        You’re also not allowed to just make cars out of whatever random material you desire. It has to be automotive steel, and plastic for body work. Not inch thick stock metal that you would normally use to beat an elephant to death

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          I have a feeling that the engineers knew but Elon didn’t, or thought he could do his usual and force it through.

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      Because any serious company would make sure they can actually sell their product before they go to manufacturing.

      Tesla likely knew the Cybertruck wouldn’t leave North America in serious numbers.

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        No, but it should have required a passing test before going on sale in the EU

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          It never was for sale in the EU, it was always imported via loopholes where the EU assumed that the US would put roadworthy stuff on its roads.

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            Not so much loopholes as existing mechanisms. There are ways to import vehicles and modify them to be road safe / legal, called homologation which involves submitting a lot of paperwork, taxes, inspections and certifications to an EU government and having a car be certified. And also more restrictive special permits so a vehicle can be shown at events or whatever. The cybertruck however is simply too far over the line that no amount of modification would make it road legal.

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              I heard stories about people not even doing that, only abusing grace periods where you can drive a vehicle from abroad on our roads while you do the paperwork.

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                I’ve heard of people trying to get Cybertrucks road legal. Some guy in Czech republic almost managed it until a public outcry had his certification revoked. Another guy in UK had his car impounded. So if people are stupid enough to try driving their extremely recognizable illegal vehicle then they risk losing their it entirely.

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          It has never been on sale in the EU, there are a few that was given special permission to drive in limited areas for marketing and testing, but nothing more than that.

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          So, most metals will work harden when flexed even before reaching the yield point, while steel does not. This hardening of the metal will eventually cause metal fatigue and failure.

          This does not rule out aluminum as a structural metal. Look at airplanes, there are 70 year old Cessnas still in service with semi-monocoque aluminum airframes.

          As for cars a LOT of cars have aluminum or composite frames. The Mercedes SL, the Audi A8, the BMW i8, manufactured in Europe with aluminum chassis. Several makes from America and the far East have aluminum frames as well; Chevrolet Corvettes have had partial aluminum frames since the 90’s and GM started making all-aluminum frames for the Z06 models circa 2005, the Acura NSX has an aluminum frame.

          Most cars are made of steel because it’s cheap, not by requirement.

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            Thank you for the informative comment. I have mild interest in materials science and I wasn’t aware of that property of steel v aluminum and other metals

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      Regulations in Europe are stricter than in the US. It’s legal in the US but won’t be here without substantial changes.

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      They are free to fully produce, but not sell.

      The article is misleading, the CyberTruck was never allowed in these jurisdictions.

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    It’s not actually banned it’s just it doesn’t meet the safety requirements so it’s not allowed.

    It’s like saying you’re banned from bars when you’re 12, you’re not really banned you’re just not allowed in, it’s not really the same thing.

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    It was not banned. It just never got a permission in the first place because it does not comply to rules and regulations.

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        It’s not really breaking the law though is it. It would only be breaking the law if they tried to sell it in Europe anyway and since they never did no laws have been broken.

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    “failing to comply” makes it sound like they ever had any intention to do so.

    Reader, they did not.

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    Cybertrucks were never “banned” per se, just defacto illegal to drive on the road because they do not comply with vehicle safety standards. People have tried to import them, making token efforts to make them road legal based on requirements for one-off importations but they haven’t succeeded.

    There are videos that explain what they would need to be legal and basically it amounts to being completely redesigned. They don’t have the correct light clusters front or back, they’re too heavy to be privately driven and they are so unsafe for pedestrians that the entire outward appearance / frame would have to be changed.

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    Canada here. Please, Europe, make it a condition for any future trade deals between us that we have to ban the Cybertruck here as well. I’ve already seen too many of them on the roads here for comfort…

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    The Cybertruck is too big for European roads. Its weight and size make it a risk, especially in cities with narrower infrastructure than in the US. .

    In the event of a crash, the Cybertruck’s structure doesn’t absorb impact well. This endangers not only the driver but also the occupants of other vehicles involved .

    The use of a light bar on the front of the vehicle is causing visibility problems for other drivers, which violates several European traffic regulations.

    These are all good reasons to ban it. But I don’t know why the article then talks about the such easily rebutted recall rate…

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      Because it comes under “and things aren’t going well in the US either”

      The headline doesn’t fit the entirety of the article, which also mentions the failure of Robotaxi in Texas, and the miserable sales numbers, etc.

      It’s really more about how Musk’s not gonna conquer the world’s car market.

      Which would be good, because anyone whose trucks are designed so you can’t see who you’re about to run over, and whose vehicles in general are deadly to drivers, passengers, pedestrians, and anyone who lives over a garage where the battery is being charged, should fail utterly and completely.

      Edit: Even if he weren’t a Nazi. Which he is.

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    Those are the strangest bullet points I’ve ever seen in an article. What do Mosquitos have to do with the Cybertruck? Almost makes me want to actually read the thing.

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      It’s becoming a common tactic, actually - the bullet points do not relate to the article (at least not when I loaded the page). It’s just links to random crap to try to keep you in their site and viewing more ads. Jokes on them, I only surf with UBlock active.

      And I’m not even sure this qualifies as an article - more like a low effort blog, once again just to farm ad views.

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    I don’t understand these articles? Was there ever any chance the Cybertruck could be street legal in Europe?
    It obviously doesn’t meet current standards, and I don’t see why standards should be changed to allow this monstrosity to drive on the roads of Europe.
    IDK if regulation is exactly the same in all EU countries, but here (Denmark) you can only drive max 3500 kg total weight with a normal drivers license. The Cybertruck can easily get above that, and you wouldn’t be able to use a trailer with with it.

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    I wonder what this means for us up in Norway. You can import a CT if it’s been owned for a given amount of time, by someone in America. After that you import it and it’s fully legal in Norway… it’s pretty stupid, and I’m not sure if these laws will affect us the same way as EU countries.

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        Oh is that because it does the classic American thing of combining brake lights and indicators?

        Some people have way too much money. There’s so much more interesting things you could do with $200,000

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      One of, although not the only issue the EU has with it, is that it’s way heavier than any other Non-Professional (Which have restrictions on where they can go). A lot of roads and bridges that are designed for cars only aren’t designed for something of that weight, so allowing it on our roads would be dangerous.

      There are plenty of bridges in Europe that were built by ancient monks thousands of years ago and would definitely not designed with cars in mind, so the weight that’s allowed on them is extremely limited.

    • I’m pretty sure that you can import it whereever you want, but you will probably not be able to get licence plates for it to use it on the road?

      In austria there is a process of getting a car “typisiert” (“categorized by type”?), where a car is checked for any violation of road regulations – normally this process is used when you build a car from scratch, or modify it so heavily that it has to be rechecked. No “Typisierung”, no licence plates, which means the vehicle can only be used on private roads.

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        Here in Finland you can import and get plates for pretty much anything imported, as long as it complies with the regulations in place in the country where it’s imported from, the year it was made. That’s why you can have a car with red turn signals, even though you can’t sell a new one.

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          Frankly, that’s kind of insane. It would make sense to grandfather in existing cars or have an exception for old-timers, but “someone stamped it, whatever” is just begging for abuse.

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      They will try, where I live in the Lot France you see a lot of guys and gals trying to compensate for something by driving Ram 1500’s and F150’s. I truelly do not get how to get around considering most villages have not changed much since the 1800’s.

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        They can try whatever they want. It literally doesn’t fit. Well I know something about narrow passageways, we have one here that was used to safely get one person at a time in. There’s only space for one person. They couldn’t ram it because it is so narrow and small. If they got at the other side they would be hit. Old towns are filled with this defensive architecture, modern suv didn’t exist. Cities don’t make use of giant vehicles either.