https://x.com/i/status/1948211079001051267
The GOP chair was caught off guard and scrambled—first delaying the vote, then trying to sabotage it by adding amendments to include Biden administration communications. Democrats called their bluff and agreed.
Then the GOP chair, Rep. Higgins, lied, claiming the motion FAILED until Rep. Robert Garcia forced a full roll call vote.
Ultimately, the vote passed 8-2 after 3 Republicans DEFIED their leadership and joined all 5 Democrats to pass the motion.
Just browsed r/conservative for a bit to see the response there. Pleasantly surprised to see multiple posts where the top comment was something along the lines of “release everything, don’t care who is affected on either side”
They made us think it was conservative versus progressive. Democrat vs Republican.
It always was the elite versus the people
It’s also humans with morals vs. Conservatives. None of this would work if conservatives didn’t salivate at the thought of making others suffer.
Always has been.
No, you are supposed to hate conservatives 🫵😲
They work really fucking hard to make that so easy.
Are we supposed to forget they put Trump in power twice? A few people on the internet hardly encompasses conservatives.
Yeah, that’s them. Get em, boy
Yes yes. Let the hate flow through you.
Yes! We just have to hate them harder than they hate us to win.
Politics 101
This but unironically. You’re not Jesus. You aren’t farming karma. You’re allowed to hate detestable people. Everything in moderation!
I’m no Jesus underd. How do you know?
Politicians make the people desperate. Compassion and guillotine should be the tool of the new left. Not like … Twitter
This is the most respect I’ve had for them in a long time.
When did you have ANY respect for them?
They even fucking lied?
Then the GOP chair, Rep. Higgins, lied, claiming the motion FAILED
I’m not holding my breath but I’m really hoping that will help maga chuds clue in that the GOP are wholly dishonest.
10% of them saying it was wrong is the best we’ll get. Him being charged with treason is what it should be
Here’s hoping that 10% are our fucking dipshit relatives eh?
It has to at least fall under this:
"§1001. Statements or entries generally Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 749 ; Sept. 13, 1994, Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), 108 Stat. 2147 .)"
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=49&f=treesort&num=1262
If it has to be decided or enforced by the majority party or SCROTUS, then it’s not happening any time soon.
This won’t even make the nightly news.
I get what you’re saying, but there are now two very distinct news spheres, and the one that they’re watching will simply not cover this story.
It’s in the hands of r/conspiracy now…
They don’t care they just want to “win”.
Actually they just want to “own the libs”. They’ll all scream to have the Epstein files released if you hint that AOC might be in there.
I hear she is. Release the files, and let’s prove it.
Of course they want to “own the libs”. They believe people get more conservative as they age, so kids have to be libs. And they definitely want to be able to own & trade children!
I’m guessing Roberts Rules stuff.
As a quick and dirty thing, you can call a voice vote of ayes and nays. If it’s not particularly close, it’ll be obvious what the outcome is, the Chair will call the result, and everyone moves on. However, any member can call bullshit on the Chair, and then it goes to a more formal process.
So without watching the whole damn video, it’s probably that the voice vote went one way, the Chair said it was the other, got called on it, and the roll call vote went against him.
2 people said ‘nay’ and 8 people said ‘aye’… It was an honest mistake anyone could have made.
But wasn’t it one person + himself? :)
Obvs his nay own would sound louder to himself
lol
I bet the voice vote was more like 5-5, and the Republicans changed when they knew their vote was being recorded.
Did you see the video? It was clear that the ‘ayes’ had it.
Oh, I didn’t know the link would load without an account. You’re right, it looks like nobody switched.
Nah
I did watch the video and it was blatant and ridiculous.
Decorum for thee but not for me.
Why does this have so many upvotes? I mean the information is mostly accurate, but for this particular 8-2 vote it sounds like it’s just trying to make an excuse for the treasonous Higgins saying the vote failed.
any member can call bullshit on the Chair
Yes, definitely making excuses.
It’s not making an excuse. It’s explaining to people how he was able to lie. If it was an roll call vote it’s next to impossible to lie about it, so it’d be confusing to some people who don’t know how the process works. It’s still blatant lying. It’s just helping to educate people.
MAGAs can’t resist cheating at every opportunity. Here we are again with standard election fraud on a micro basis, but we’re supposed to believe that they won the 2024 Election “Fair & Square?”
This is unsurprising.
But forcing a recorded count does get those Republican Nays on record so they can be punished later.
I am puzzled by your incredulousness.
I am perplexed by your puzzlement.
It is rather quixotic.
Is that the right word?
I chose it for its pomposity. Seemed to gently fit the tone. 🤓
the single person who voted no: “In the opinion of the chair the nos have it”
the multiple people who voted “yes” laugh at the absurdity and call him out on it
how fucking brazen a liar
Shouldn’t that be like contempt of congress or something?
maybe if laws/rules applied to Republicans in positions of power
Should be grounds to have his ass beat
I feel like this would be a great addition to congress. Make C-SPAN interactive and viewers can vote on whether or not to have someone involved in a proceeding flogged with something like a 90% majority.
It would be like the scene in The Simpsons (a really old episode) where the family goes in for group therapy and the counselor hooks them up with shock collars and buttons they can zap each other with, and they just go crazy shocking the shit out of each other.
Do you want to get Caligula? Because, that’s how we get Caligula. 🤌🏼
Compared to Trump? Caligula might actually be an upgrade.
You’re willing to trade a horse in the hospital for a donkey at the endless, publicly-funded Senatorial orgy?
That’s not progress, that’s just “change”.
Imagine the vote manipulation. Now you have to worry about getting a virus on your phone that will silenty vote to beat up a member of congress
Running for office would very quickly become running from office.
Ah, the old Sen. Sumner treatment!
I read the first one in Mayor Quimby’s voice.
“the, er um, nos, uh, have it”
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Can someone explain to this non-american why the Democrats are treating this as a successful upset when they could have released the Epstein files during Biden?
I don’t see anyone saying this yet, but the Epstein files were sealed by a court order for Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial. They weren’t unsealed until January of 2025. Biden couldn’t have released them without violating the court order that sealed them - and possibly giving Ghislaine’s lawyers a slam dunk to get her off with a mistrial.
Here is seems to be at the discretion of the Attorney General. Why didn’t Merrick Garland unseal them in September 2024 after her appeal failed?
Merrick Garland is a hard core libertarian centrist and Biden appreciated him for being status quo which means not rocking the boat or doing any effort to to hold anyone rich accountable as his previous bosses were BP and Amazon.
He also refused to prosecute Matt Gaetz.
Read his link. There’s nothing in there to indicate that Garland could’ve released then in 2024.
That does nothing to change the reality of his character or negate his lack of action i pointed out above.
Why did he actually not do anything? Who can say?
Why did he actually not do anything? Who can say?
I can. The files were under seal by order of a judge.
Not a good enough excuse IMHO.
Its not meant to be an excuse. He just is a shitty person. Picked because they thought it would reach across the shitty aisle to shitty republicans.
That just is what it is.It’s not a good excuse. Until Americans guillotine these fuckers, they will just continue to do what they want, law be damned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZhZs69RvFM
You expected a shitty person to expose his shitty friends? Lmao
He didn’t have the ability to release the files. Will you idiots ever fucking listen?
Because Merrick Garland is incredibly lazy. He spent his entire tenure sitting around doing nothing.
This doesn’t get the Biden administration off the hook for not releasing the list sooner.
Unlike Trump, Biden respected court orders.
After Maxwell’s appeal failed in September 2024 no related court orders needed to be respected.
Is there any U.S. administration that should be let off the hook in the last 25 years of ratfuckery? I’ll just be happy if your Democrats are desperate enough to combat overt corruption that they’ll accept collateral damage among theirs and their masters.
Because Garland is a heritage foundation boot licker
Garland is a republikkkan and a member of the Federalist Society. He was Biden’s greatest failure.
What exactly did you think that first link proved?
That the Attorney General can decide to declassify and publicly release the files.
Biden couldn’t have released them without violating the court order that sealed them
Presidents can do whatever they want as long as it’s an official act.
Because they COULDN’T release them under Biden. They were sealed by court order until January 2025.
There is a lot of desperate “both sides” nonsense going on here but the fact remains, Democrats are voting to release them and Republicans are not. If Democrats wanted to cover them up, why would they be doing that?
It’s all bread and circuses until the 1% have extracted the last iota of capital from the rest of us and the country finally collapses.
Because they couldn’t, or at least not without potentially ruining the case while it was before the courts at the time?
Politik-brained Canadian here:
IIRC they didn’t raid Epstein till 2019. In 2020 Democrats had a narrow majority in the house which they would lose in 2022.
Than January 6, 2021 happened, and I think everyone thought that would be the legal case that brought Trump down.
It kind of seemed inevitable that the Epstein files would get leaked or released eventually. That is until Trump officially ran again in 2023; creating the possibility that the evidence would be destroyed permanently if he won.
just to tie on to this, theres a none zero chance some prominent democrat “old guard” are also on the list, and their positions are too valuable to be lost (to the status quo). january 6th, if it was enough, would have been a great way to protect the old guard and get rid of trump. but thats evidently not what happened.
i dont care whos on the list, from what side, i want them all punished. anybody whos complicit in the current shit show, or is on that list, needs to be shot in the street like a rabid dog.
While I was still on Reddit, there was a list going around of politicians charged with child sex offences. Sure, there were a few Dems, curse them to hell, but by FAR the majority were Republikkklans. The list was up to page 57 last time I sighted it.
We just need the files. I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of “I was just on it because he was blackmailing me” or whatever, from everyone involved, innocent or not. Unless there’s something that literally has itemized “X person, 2 kids, diddled both, camera footage timestamp x:xx:xx” I really doubt much legally will come from it.
Court of public opinion however, that’s gonna cause some real shakedowns, if people actually listen.
maybe the video tapes that they took?
none zero chance
I wager the actual chances are in the double digits.
Triple digits?
Last I checked the chances had been reduced by 1000%
Than January 6, 2021 happened, and I think everyone thought that would be the legal case that brought Trump down.
And it might have been if they didn’t drag their feet so much.
drag their feet
They full on chickened out!
I have met chickens and they are braver than any politician I’ve seen.
Probably the spine.
Craven Republican “Trump is a threat to democracy.”
Proceeds to vote for acquittal
creating the possibility that the evidence would be destroyed permanently
This is sort of where I keep going back to in my mind. Like, I’ve seen things about supposed redacting or whatnot. So, like, what is there to be released if supporters of the Current Admins had them for so long?
Some like original copy of something somewhere that somebody secreted away?
And, how does something like that get proven to be…legitimate? Especially to a point of actionable repercussions?
I honestly just don’t understand how this all works. Hoping for the damn best though.
The Dems have molesters/rapists on the list themselves. The difference is that we are not cultists and will gladly watch those perverts go to jail. Apparently MAGA just barely started caring about justice as it pertains to the files.
Why were the files not released under Biden? Hell … Bill Clinton is on the list (shocking).
Hell … Bill Clinton is on the list (shocking)
Is that proven?
Everything is still in the “reportedly” quote stage, but it looks like Clinton went there for Epsteins 50th birthday party. He is on the flight logs.
Remember that Epsteins “operation” supposedly worked by blackmail, so many people could have been invited and not taken the bait. If they went multiple times however … like Trump.
The Attorney general under Biden, Merrick Garland, is a by the book liberal conservative. He assumed the treasonous actions of January 6 2021 would sink trump’s political career. He also believed - correctly- that the attorney general is appointed by a president to lead the judicial branch independent of the executive branch. Merrick focused the AG office on the January 6th investigation and didn’t publish the Epstein documents as they weren’t part of any specific case.
There is also the theory that high ranking establishment Democrats are on the Epstein list. We also know that there are many pictures of epstein’s clients with underage girls that haven’t been published. Likely because American legal culture always seeks to punish the women involved in sex work and views the “johns” as victims who need to be protected
It makes their opponents look bad when they refuse
They were sealed by court order until January 2025.
Or you know, mindless nonsensical conspiracy theories.
I was under the impression that the president was above the law
Shhh! Don’t ruin it for the rest of us! On tomorrow’s episode of “As The Empire Crumbles”, will the files lead to anything actionable?
Biden likely would have never released it because his donors are on the list, also the general public on the US, if you haven’t caught on yet are like 30% complete idiots. A good example of this is that many people in comments on Instagram or other social media have said ‘‘why would anyone even willingly fly on a plane called ‘the Lolita express’?’’ Because they can’t figure out that the press started calling Epstine’s plane that long after the accusations and convictions were over with. They’re even more confused that the pilot of the plant never saw ANY sexual behavior or implied sexual relationship of any minors on the plane or even adults on the plane. How couldn’t he tell?! Because Epstine was a blackmail con man, not a ‘‘hay everybody here’s all my dirty secrets! Look at this! It’s incriminating!’’ Man. Blackmail necessitates obfuscation, and likewise gaining access to wealthy targets ment he ALSO needs to appear harmless and well connected to other wealthy people, who only saw normal behavior. So this list, the flight logs, even the island visitors, will all be at the very least 50% innocent people, if not way higher numbers. You only need a few successful targets to get by with blackmail and if the targets all have lots of money and know eachother the last thing you want is for them to be aware your blackmailing them all at once. And if he never did blackmail and just ran a pedophile ring, the level of secrecy would still be crazy high and he’d still want to look innocent to the majority of people he knew that’s how all child abusers and rapists in general tend to behave.
Biden likely would have never released it because his donors are on the list
Biden wasn’t able to release it because a judge sealed it as part on an ongoing investigation. Don’t let that stop your ridiculous conspiracy theories.
The same “donors” would likely also support the Democrats now voting to release them.
I’m saying if he was still president, not in the past. also my whole point is that the list is half or more full of innocent names, but people at large won’t be able to grasp that, so it will paint otherwise innocent people as involved in a pedophile sex ring or trafficking, or as blackmail targets when they did none of those things.
30% feels generously low.
I’d say the people making shit up and are unaware of the files being sealed are the ACTUAL idiots.
… ok.
Piss poor response. If you’re too immature to admit being wrong, that’s on you, don’t put it on us.
Wrong about what? I was simply saying that i think well over 30% of Americans are stupid. The fuck are you talking about?
Its a PR stunt. The democratic establishment doesn’t want them released. The democrats that do, are the minority faction of progressives, and they don’t have enough political power to actually get them released. Biden is not a progressive, he wants the uphold the status quo, including, protecting the Democrats on that list.
Its a PR stunt. The democratic establishment doesn’t want them released.
That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Why would they overwhelmingly vote to realease them then?
It’s all performative. You vote for something you know has zero chance of passing so you can go “Look! Look! I’m good! I did the thing!” in the next election cycle even if what you really did is nothing.
See the 50+ votes to repeal Obamacare.
I’ll ask you this: Why didn’t the Biden Administration release it? Why did most congressional Democrats not demand the Biden Administration to release it? They had 4 years. Why demand its release now, now that they are out of power and they know that the current admin will never release it.
Because your feelings, right?
Who, me? look, all I’m saying is that the public at large can’t grasp that not everyone who walked past Epstein on the street is a full blow child sex trafficker. They will assume every single person he knew is full guilty when that’s just not how criminal conspiracy works, I wouldn’t be shocked to find only Him, Maxwell, Prince Andrew, and Trump were raping children.
sooooo GOP chair who blatantly tried to defraud the American people in a cushy government position by abusing his position, he’s tossed outta the swamp now, right?
or rather, into the new swamp down in Florida
“The no has it” are you fucking kidding me.
Bruh this isn’t the first time Higgens has tried this shit either. I find him specifically so infuriating.
When he was the only person to say no, and then claimed “the noes have it,” that was the funniest gd thing I’ve seen all day. Hahahahahaha!
I suspect a lot of the GOP also want rid of Trump now he’s won for the second time.
They’ve put in their time. They’re political lifers. They know they don’t really need him any more, and frankly his health will take care of that sooner rather than later.
If he follows the rules, he can’t run again anyway. If he doesn’t then they don’t need him to win elections for them, because there won’t be any more. They’re just stuffing their pockets while waiting for any opportunity to try and get in a bigger chair. Their only worry is that someday, lobbyists might not want to bribe them any more to do their jobs.
I suspect the list is being withheld for reasons other than Donald, who we all know is on it anyway. Plenty of more important shadowy figures who still have something to lose.
They’re still terrified of his rabid base and none of them have spines.
They’ll still obey the whip (because people that don’t get deselected come election time), but they’ll all be planning their next move once Trump is done.
The only loyalty among the rank and file is the fear of losing their jobs.
They want him to make it to Jan 21, 2027, then he can keel over. That way Vance can still qualify for two full terms afterward.
Vance doesn’t even seem popular in his own family, let alone with the public at large.
Musk isn’t allowed to run so they’re all out of demagogues at this point, and their entire political strategy hinges on that. At some point they know they’ve got to shift back to pretending to be normal again. Their next candidate is going to be someone like Romney. They’re going to lose all the crazies when they do, but chances are they’ll just go back to not voting while hoarding bump stocks.
“You won’t need to vote”
I broadly agree, but not sure I see a short term way back to winning as “normal again”, the “crazies” induced the vast majority of the party to be sycophants to the crazy, and this hopefully alienated some moderates. Not sure who they might break out for 2028 if they do have an actual free election, but I could see them in a tough strategic spot trying to claim being moderate with the behavior of the party since 2016 and particularly since Trump’s loss in 2020.
So they have a lack of a good fit for the Trump crazy but also the liability of having tried to be close with the crazy…
I think the GOP media machine will continue to push more extreme candidates who are more akin to ramaswamy or some other techno-crat.
I, among other people I know who voted for DT have absolutely zero interest in voting for JD. He’s a Petey T puppet with the charisma of wet bread.
Except Vance is a charisma vacuum.
I mean yeah. That said, if the GOP seems to start shining that turd a bit later than this time next year, know that the plan is for Trump to learn the meaning of planned obsolescence.
I suspect a lot of the GOP also want rid of Trump
I suspect they don’t actually care at all except the companies lobbying these particular representatives are being hurt by the tariffs.
I think you’re right. They wanted the $3T tax cut, and that’s exactly what they got. Trump is now unnecessary risk for the oligarchs, I wouldn’t be surprised if they pin all of Epstein on him to dumpster his ass now. Then we’ll have 2.5 terms of President Vance to look forward to, as he works with Silicon Valley elites to replace the treasury with shitcoins.
They’re republicans, no need to elaborate how awful they are.
There isn’t a list of abusers. The only person the files have evidence of abuse is Epstein himself. Per multiple sources interviewed by the NY Times, the only lists in the files are victims and witnesses, and releasing the files would just victimize them again to doxxing. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/us/politics/epstein-files-trump-bondi-justice-department-fbi.html
Dems are jumping on the bandwagon because it distracts the Republicans from their rampage of destroying the foundations of our country, but the files themselves are a nothingburger as far any actual evidence of crimes.
The DOJ literally said Trump was named in the files.
What does this actually mean?
Republicans are hypocrites — and have to be forced onto the record defying Dotard Trump — even though he’s a rapist and a pedophile.
I think they’re more curious what the effects of the vote will be.
That’s my point. It’s performative but also gets them on the record to expose the hypocrisy.
It’s performative? So it won’t actually cause the “subpoena ALL the Jeffrey Epstein files” as the post says? My point is it’s just a little hard to see what the vote actually does from the context given, although I don’t doubt there will be political fallout from it.
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Hey, where’s all those losers that kept saying the Dems didn’t actually want it released? Come on out of the woodwork, ya fucking losers.
They’re right here in this thread, ignoring reality and spewing conspiracy theories.
I was saying it, or at least thinking it. Colour me pleasantly surprised.
If there’s anything the two parties should be able to “reach across the aisle” to get done, I would hope a bipartisan pedo purge would be it.
I mean, Pelosi IS out there going out of her way trying to downplay the whole thing. Having a couple members of either party agreeing to subpoena the files doesn’t mean either party, as a whole, is supporting it.
What’s her angle? I dunno what she has said but that crone needs to go the hell away.
Keep on trying. One of these days, those Democrats will turn around and say not to reveal this info, and then that’ll vindicate the child-loving Republicans.
“One of these days” Got anything else from your crystal ball?
Literally any excuse to blame Democrats.
Apologies. That was meant to be sarcastic, and not a blame on Democrats. I was mostly making fun of the extreme lengths people are going to to say that the Republicans are somehow not to blame for this.
Hey, that’s my representative’s motion!
Nice!
Too soon to say but spine growth in the dems?
nah, opportunistic as ever. Main goal here is to stick it to republicans not some “principles”
Can’t we just celebrate a win for once without saying they’re not doing enough? This is a good thing any way you look at it.
I think it’s hard to take the DNC seriously when they still let Chuck Shumer drone people to sleep, I mean, speak for the party.
They’ve snubbed their own party’s progressive caucus for brain dead geriatrics.
Their leadership has blatantly benefited from insider trading and social welfare while failing to achieve those policies for their constituents.
Every day the DNC looks more and more like a broken clock that’s only only right when it’s 2 minutes to midnight.
They really, really, don’t deserve applause at this point. They deserve to be replaced.
Im so tired of this site competing for who is the furthest left leaning. We all want a better future. But we can’t get that if we dont put this fascism shit down before it gets terminal.
You’re right, it’s exhausting.
The guys who are still trying to work with republicans while Alligator Auschwitz exists are not fighting fascism, their policies allowed the fascists to take control and now they are trying to work with the fascists.
Hell yeah brother, say it loud.
Too soon
/s
We should celebrate the win for sure! But calling it “spine growth” is delusional, wishful thinking.
Both can be true.
Nope. They fucked up long enough. No cookie until it’s all fixed. Buck up.
They think the Epstein thing might actually stick this time. They’re trying to use that as best they can. Any party would do that
It might be a strong move for once though. Time will tell.
I’m going to ask a honest question because I don’t know the answer. If Trump’s name is on the list, why didn’t Dems release it when Biden was in office? Yes I know that’s a question the right has been asking but I don’t know the answer to it.
Because I don’t care who’s on the list, Republican or Dem. They all deserve prison
Because Biden respected the law. The Epstein files were sealed by a judge until after Maxwell’s trial. They weren’t unsealed until January of this year. Biden, by law, couldn’t release the files.
Not sure if Biden/dems have given a reasom yet. I believe, typically, the official reason they keep this files secret is they may still intend to take legal action in the future.
Unofficially, Biden’s AG Merrick Garland really did not go hard against Trump. They let him get away with an attempted coup, not sure if that was at Biden’s request or if Garland persuaded him not to.
Farfetched theory on my part but Biden really tried not to stir the waters, I feel, to avoid a civil war.
My cynical ass thinks Biden didn’t want to set precedence that the rich / president can be held accountable. He naively thought Trump is done anyway, let’s just go back to the status quo and not bother with real consequences for the rich.
I thought I read the files were sealed until 2024 but don’t know if thats true or not
- Trump’s in the files, but they probably don’t have the stuff from the wildest conspiracy theories. So there’s going to be a let down no matter what.
- There’s a lot of victims in those files who deserve some protection and privacy. Redactions take a lot of manpower, as we’ve seen with this 1000 agent effort. That manpower could be spent on going after live criminals.
- Dems in the files too.
Apparently it was under seal by the courts while Ghilaine was on trial, and only became unsealed in Biden’s literal last week in the presidency. And he was trying to do a bunch of things at that time, especially with Ukraine and Israel.
Along with what Salty said, it also almost certainly implicates some of the DNC’s donor class. At this point, it’s too big of a win to not go with it and too big of a loss to go against it though. I don’t know if there’s any amount of money that could get the majority of Democrat representatives to stick their necks out and go against it.
Ya DNC just wants to return to Bush era GOP. This MAGA shit isn’t economically sustainable for their owners.
that aint happenin, the loyalty trump demands of his ppl is a double edged sword, if he goes under they go with him. Some second grade ppl will try to cling onto by pretending trump was never the driving force but they are doomed to fail. If trump goes under the reps are done for for a while.
If trump goes under the reps are done for for a while.
Please stop this wishful thinking. I’ve been hearing this shit for over 4 decades! Oh just wait till Regan is gone! Oh after Bush they are done! Oh after two illegal wars they are done! Oh after Trump 1 they are done for sure! Oh after the pandemic they are done! Oh after the old go away they are done! Now we’re back to oh after Trump goes away they are done.
These morons are NOT going away. They will vote in lockstep with whatever asshole the GOP produces next and mark my words after Trump worse is coming, because with the GOP it always gets worse.
GOP are either dumb enough to try or just smart enough to know it’s their only option. While I agree with your assessment of the facts I still think the GOP is trying to have its cake and eat it to with regards to getting rid of trump while keeping his base.
If they can walk this tightrope until ICE finishes establishing themselves as the national gestapo… they might be able to keep the MAGA train rolling after trump kicks the bucket.
Wha
Don’t hurt yourself on that high horse there, buddy. 🙄
high horse? Hardly. Not having principles and being opportunistic is how they lost last election. Sitting on their hands all this time approving republican bills is a confirmation to that. Epstein has ZERO impact on average worker at this point. Yes criminals have to be in jail and human trafficking is a disgust. However this will affect lives of hundreds while millions are still not protected and Democrats have no intent of protecting working class. Biden flirted with more pro-worker stance and with Haris things were back to status quo. So no, my friend no high horse, just looking realistically.
Cope
They ate their Wheaties this morning. Tomorrow, back to Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
Please don’t disparage the good name of CTC. Those are my favorite, and I can confirm I have bones.
Real human ones? In your freezer?
I have lots of things. Don’t worry about it.
Did you hand-stuff all those cats, too? It’s that why they’re arranged in chronological order? To demonstrate your skill progress in the pastime? Just curious.
What is this, the Spanish Inquisition? Can’t a guy engage in some casual taxidermy without getting the third degree?
I mean, clearly if the Inquisition were involved, that would be a surprise for everyone, but especially them.
Had you found this hobby in their era and locality, you actually might’ve contributed to the onset of The Black Plague, simply by killing cats to feed your
needtalent.Good thing you’re a late boomer?🤘🏼
No. They’ll find a way to screw this up. It is very much a dog catching the car situation.
But one can hope
Everybody wants it to catch the tire, but everyone except the dog knows the outcome. Every time.
Only if we keep disciplining them. Which is why it is important to say this is a good thing but keeping their current leadership is a bad thing, both in regards to accountability.
More pacifying, look how happy everyone is that we scored a major upset… In my opinion, they’re going to Mueller Report this and attempt to sweep it under the rug just like they did the Russian Collusion.
The video was fun to watch to watch.
If my understanding is right, it just means this sub committee will now subpoena all documents. Not like it will be available to everybody, just available to the lawmakers. You must be a real pedophile-ophile to want to block your committee from having knowledge.
I think GOP wants to get rid of Trump but keep MAGA. They’ve simply been unable to manipulate that outcome until now.
The only way they can bifurcate Trump from MAGA is if they have an equally “charismatic” strongman that can take his place. It would especially help if he’s young.
And it’s not Vance.
That’s why I keep my eye on Joe Rogan. I mean, folks tell me I’m nuts to think that a charismatic entertainer could make the transition to being President, but I’m not so sure. (/s, to be extra clear) I notice that he’s taking care to distance himself from the regime’s more-unpopular actions, but not break with it wholly.
I’m not convinced it can be anyone. Trump is a remarkable combination of horrible, stupid, and snake-oil-salesman charismatic. Anyone less stupid, and the base can tell that he’s just pretending to be like them, and they don’t like it. Anyone less charismatic can’t sell the con. Anyone less horrible would actually be less horrible, so that’d actually be better for all of us, but again I think then the base would turn on them for being insufficiently horrible.
About the only one I can think of on the public stage right now who checks all those boxes is Marjorie Taylor Greene, and she’s a wOmAn, which also disqualifies her for a good chunk of the Trump base.
But then again, this is the stupidest timeline, so for all I know they’ll just decide that Ron DeSantis is their new god when Trump finally exits the scene and deny that they ever hated Ron’s stupid fucking guts.
What a horrible world it’d be if MTG is the first female president of the US.
Be careful what you wish for. It could end up being Musk, with a manchruian citizen in the seat.
I heard that Tucker Carlson is hoping for the gig.
shudder
You are beginning to see the whys behind the recent “new” party, then.
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It’s a cult of personality, there is no MAGA without HitlerPig. The moment he assumes room temperature, the knives will come out, and the Dems can sit back and watch the bloodbath.
Which brings up another point - the Republicans Party is dead, fully replaced by the MAGA Party, and the Dems should make that their policy. They should call an official press conference, declare the Republican Party to no longer exist, and start calling it the MAGA Party in ALL communications. The Republican Party should only be referred to in a historical context, like the Whigs.
Kill the Republican Party, then watch them flail to revive it when MAGA collapses following HitlerPig glorious death.
You’re right but that’s not gonna stop them from trying. Popcorn?
I kinda agree, but IMO the better way to phrase it is that they don’t have a solid plan. Fascists are stupid. They have to be, right, because they’re building a system that is guaranteed to eat itself. Whoever is in charge always wants more power, which eventually must come from their cohorts, so you can’t do it as a team, at least not if people are using their brains.
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3 Republicans: “I might be a racist, zionist(somehow), corrupt piece of shit that sits down when my fellow Americans are put into concentration camps, who is all for authoritarianism and white nationalism,… but I ain’t no pederass protector!”
a what, Walter?
Just bottom rung people looking down on the only people left categorically worse than them.
That’s why “chomos” need to be protected in jail.
That’s why wanna be Chris Hansen’s are usually as creepy as the creeps they catch.
That’s why violence posted online gets a free pass when its framed as a pedo getting btfu.
