We are just finding out about a child sex trafficking ring involving politicians and billionaires, the world’s richest man does a Nazi salute at a political rally, and the President being an adjudicated sex criminal is probably not the worst thing he has done…
Meanwhile I’m standing here in the checkout line feeling guilty about whether or not I should tip a barista
Something is wrong with our collective notion of morality, and my individual understanding (Oh well, here we are)
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Apparently this is not a shower thought🤔 /s
I would go with modern socialism/communism but, ever since Joe McCarthy, america tastes bile in their throat every time those words are bandied about. Pavlov and B.F. Skinner would be proud.
While people in power are absolute evil most of the time, this is not an excuse to change your own morals for the worse.
Small acts of kindness, when taken in decent quantity, change the world no less than massive fraud and sex trafficking.
That said, one of the most moral things to do is to be on the lookout for powerful people doing nasty things and do everything in your capacity to prevent or at least retaliate. This makes abuse less common, and goes a long way to restore democracy and responsibility for everyone.
Don’t expect the world to reward your good behavior. You will find your own internal motivation, or maybe not. But judging others never ends well. Just focus on your own actions. Nobody says being a good human being is easy…
Just finding out? Hasn’t all of this been known for almost a decade now?
Our leaders are so disconnected from the average person only them being forced to confront their own mortality can snap them out of it.
We could really use some phantom thieves to steal the hearts of these leaders with distorted desires.
Good reminder to play Persona 5 again.
By morality you mean our collective fork and knife?
mortality
Granted
I’ve learned paedophiles seem to be naturally skilled with grabbing power throughout history and the present is no differnt. I’m more aware of that fact now.
I’ve also learmed a large percentage of humans actually are fine with their leaders raping children. One might think they’re fine with it in general.
Morality and laws are for the plebs. If you’re rich or powerful enough, you get to do whatever you want, so long as you don’t harm another rich or powerful person.
The hierarchy is natural and good and all ills are due to someone violating the hierarchy.
Therefore, laws are only useful when they support the hierarchy.
Any efforts to make society less hierarchical and more equitable are either (a) lies in an attempt to climb the hierarchy (b) doomed to failure and disastrous to the participants because it’s against the (natural and good) hierarchy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=11
EDIT: The above is meant as a satire of the conservative thought process, and does not reflect my beliefs (most of the time).
Don’t forget, while the Qanon BS is flourishing, a former Speaker of the House (3rd in line to the presidecy) gets imprisoned for molesting at least four teenage boys.
It’s a tough go for the people who believe in pacifism or nonviolent change.
Dual Power means you can have a pacifist stance and still support the radicals in your lane.
Not everyone needs to be a gunslinger for a resistance to succeed. Just do what you can when you have the chance.
I never meant to imply a pacifist would be required to engage in violence, only that they would have to indirectly support it at the very least, lest their own principles be engulfed by those who would see to their extinction.
Are you really feeling guilty about not tipping because of the moral implications, or do you just feel socially shamed? Important distinction.
Considering the idea of shame is society’s way to enforce it’s version of morality, I would argue no it is not a distinction.
Like you said, society’s version of morality. So it can be a very important distinction because your own version of morality might differ. Not being aware of this distinction is dangerous because it stops people from developing their own moral compass. This own morality is more firm and can be relied on in the absence of shame, or even when society encourages behavior one finds immoral.
I’m even gonna go on a wilder speculation here and claim that one of the driving factors behind humanity’s worst atrocities was that large portions of society who had the potential in them for a firm morality rooted in empathy and love never developed this potential.
On a less import note, not being aware of this distinction can breed a lot of resentment and unhappiness, if someone is constantly compelled to follow rules that they, deep down, consider to be bullshit.
Of course that doesn’t mean I encourage people to just disregard society’s version of morality and lightly assume that they know better.
Edit: just noticed your username, I hope that furriosa is doing well <3
*Furryosa is doing well and thank you for acknowledging me.
But fuck you anyways!
Considering that drinking coffee is my prefered kind of laxative, i would argue theres actually no distinction between coffee and shit.
I don’t … think that was a part of the conversation going right now, but I am enjoying the turn it is taking!
Huh. I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, but I just realized I started experiencing constipation after I stopped drinking coffee. I think I should start doing that again. Thanks homie!
I had a feeling my comment had a noble purpose :)
Fuck yeah!
Or just hydrate more—its better for you and your shit.
Oh, ya boi hydrates! I drink so much water that I don’t flush after using a stall just to flex on the next motherfucker.
I feel guilty because I’m conflicted about what the right thing to do is, the cost, and care about fellow workers.
You probably understand why I would have a moral question (alongside some guilt of doing the wrong thing) after reading through the entire thread engaging your comment.
Meanwhile Epstein, Elon, and Trump don’t seem to have these hang-up’s and are rewarded handsomely by society…
For me it’s the empathy of knowing that that person won’t have enough money because I know they don’t get a living wage.
But by tipping the person you support the system that doesn’t pay them a living wage. It’s similar to why you shouldn’t give money to people begging.
I’d say it’s a little thornier than that. By tipping, you support the person who has to take the job that doesn’t pay them a living wage. Absolutely, this can have the side effect of supporting the system creating this condition, but so too does patronizing businesses that employ this practice. The best move if you don’t want to support the system is to not patronize businesses that function this way at all. Increasing corporate revenue while not contributing to the welfare of the person who had to take that job is not a morally better position.
Feel somewhat similar about giving money to beggars, though with slightly more emphasis on the voluntary nature of the act (which itself could be fodder for moral discussion - what’s the difference between Jack the Hobo’s and Jack the Barista’s experience?). End of the day, while systematic overhaul so both of these conditions are irrelevant is warranted, for both groups it’s about survival until the next day (yes, for some beggars survival includes dope, withdrawl is hell). The revolution ain’t coming tomorrow, and even if it did there’s time required to get these folks what they need. It’s entirely possible they wouldn’t make it to that point without voluntary support from individuals or small groups.
You shouldn’t go to restaurants at all if you’re averse to tipping. Only by starving the industry can the policy be scrapped. Don’t take it out on the workers. Hold the owners to account.
Not OP, but both.
One of the best distinctions!
My morality works fine. A bunch of lead drinking, lead breathing, racist rednecks need to get fixed.
…preferable with rusty pliers
Don’t worry, as the economy becomes more stressed and people become more desperate, morality will fly out the window and become completely secondary to survival. Even those who succumb to that desperation will be ahead of the game on the morality spectrum though. There is a huge difference between stealing to feed your family and steeling purely out of greed.
Also, tipping culture is a cancer that needs to die. So don’t feel guilty about not tipping.
morality will fly out the window
In my experience, it’s the times of crisis that bring morality to the forefront.
The number of genuinely good hearted people will surprise you.
Yeah you’re not gonna like that world buddy.
And make sure to turn off all the lights and appliances you’re not using to save power for the AI. This future is trash.
And reduce your water usage because it’s a drought. While we grow water heavy crops like almonds in those drought stricken regions and foreign investors from arid countries grow water heavy crops like alfalfa solely for export back home.
Or specifically bred/GMOd soy and corn which gets used for animal food instead of soy and corn humans could eat.
(Nothing against GMO, but against our high animal produce consumption)
we known it since 2019, when he epsteined himself. and it went back decades, the MSM did thier best to not report it for the last 4 years. because too many politicians, both US and the world leaders, plus many donors. just like with the panama papers.
