Here’s my tidy narrative: he was raised in MAGA family, was poorly educated and had a lot of exposure to extremists positions but little exposure to critical thinking. When he finally was exposed to different ideology at college he wasn’t able to process is correctly and reacted violently, as he was taught to do by his conservative upbringing.
I’m a little annoyed with how quickly everyone here latched onto the Groyper narrative and parroted it as established fact. Seems unhelpful to run with a story before any evidence came out.
I think it’s just common sense. When the fascists start spewing “he’s super leftist and trans” propaganda you don’t respond with “wait, we have to wait for more facts”. You respond with your own propaganda. Being nice and following rules will not help you stop fascism. The groyper narrative might have actually prevented retaliation and saved lives.
Yeah it helped muddy the water and basically kept it liquid and nuclear till the actual facts could assert themselves. Even if the right still thinks he’s an Uber leftist what matters is that folks who don’t know may not believe that.
nuclear
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aight I’m done with the I have no mouth and I must scream meme.
I’ll leave this here for others like me who apparently are really out of the loop
Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist 41 activists led by Nick Fuentes. Groypers are a loosely defined group of Fuentes’s followers and fans. They are named after a cartoon amphibian named “Groyper”, a variant of the Internet meme Pepe the Frog.
They just needed it to be the right so bad that they went with whatever they could find.
Shocking that a terminally online 22 year old doesn’t have a consistent ideology.
I saw a comment on instagram from someone saying Charlie Kirk had had some “powerful comments” in his videos. Checked the profile and there was a ton of pro-environment, anti-cop content. Most people don’t think super hard about their political ideology.
Most people don’t think super hard about their political ideology.
This is perhaps the most important insight one can have when it comes to entertaining the ‘fun’ discussions on christmas dinner. Both in constructing an argument and maintaining healthy relationships.
People really cling to being a “good” person. And not thinking can serve as a shield to maintain this; at least within one’s own self-image.
this country isn’t ready for what the youngest online male zoomers are like lol. i’m a millennial but i’ve been here the whole time watching cultures come and go and the memelord nihilist has been growing since ‘04. there are many variations and they range from sad and pathetic yet ultimately harmless to sad and pathetic and goddamn dangerous. these people can have a mixture of politics and usually prefer whatever has the most public condemnation so they can align themselves with immorality as a point of pride which becomes their identity. fuck having your own beliefs, just follow whatever gets the most negative response from society.
It’s the way disempowerment interacts with tribalism and a saturated obviously polarized media environment.
This is only gonna get stupider. The cure is giving people agency over their lives, authorship over their world. Make the things they believe actually fucking matter.
is that like “black-pilled”?
My initial impression of his writings hit me as either Groyper posing as a leftist, or just an accelerationist psychopath.
Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that right-wing extremism makes up the majority of violence.
I think a lot of people like to call people like him psychopaths, but what should a person who has no hope for the future be called when they use their life for something incredibly good like removing Kirk from the world?
I don’t think he’s crazy. I think he’s the new normal.
There are VERY few situations where committing premeditated murder would be considered clinically neurotypical. The term psychopath is used so loosely, but would fall under antisocial personality disorder, which he very well could be diagnosed as.
I think killing people who are destroying the world gets a pass. IMO.
If that was his thinking, then he’s terrible at foreseeing the coming chess moves from the other side.
It was quite obvious the Trump administration was doing everything in their power to provoke something like this so they could then utilize it as their Reichstag Fire / October 7th incident to further strip civil liberties and consolidate power.
Best thing he could’ve done was just do a public protest about Epstein and rally people to vote for midterms. I fail to see how this made vulnerable group safer in any way in all reality.
lol. No the best thing he could have done was shut the fuck up about it so he could keep making this place safer to live.
You fear Trump… but the government hasn’t done anything (except ICE, I’m not forgetting about that).
We need more American hero’s like Tyler, Tommy “bad shot” Crooks, and the dude who shot Brian what’s his name ceo that definitely was not Luigi.
Stochastic vigilantism
And let’s just hope it keeps pointing at assholes
That’s the sad part, it already isn’t. Many assholes on the right truly think they’re fighting a righteous war. Nay, a biblical crusade against evil. And they’re harming far more good people, both directly and indirectly.
All guardrails and checks & balances have since been broken to prevent this very thing from playing out but now it all just boils down to who can push a louder message to the masses and distort their perception of reality.
I’m pretty lost for answers on how to crawl our way out of this. My only hope is the economy tanks so hard that it hits the working class in their wallets. That’s pretty much the only thing they care about.
The economy is going to tank and we will have people dying in the street, mainly because the people in charge weren’t killed sooner.
If the Discord is real, he seemed like a pretty normal guy. Apparently he was bisexual, and his girfriend might’ve been trans. According to the source at least. I don’t know any groypers, so I don’t know how they act, but I don’t think that they’re normally fine with that sort of thing. Somewhere else said that he claimes to have done it to silence the hate that Kirk spewed, which is a fair enough reason I guess. Lots of contradictory info. Maybe he was a groyper that woke up after meeting his girlfriend. Maybe he just did it for attention. Maybe he just snapped. I’m just hoping for the best, that he did it for a decent enough reason, not to start a race war. We might even find out, if he isn’t Epsteined.
I saw some of the Discord on Ken Klippensteins website. Are there other links to it that show more conversation?
We might find out, but will anybody care?
How crazy would it be if we found out he did it for love?
…to impress Jodie Foster.
That’s honestly what I’m thinking it is. He was supposedly dating a trans person and Kirk is a real POS when it comes to that topic so I could imagine him loving his partner so much that he felt the need to kill someone he sees as making life more dangerous for them.
Gonna be terribly ironic when Trump uses this to take rights away from trans people, but it would have happened anyway.
He already is, and he doesn’t need a reason.
Listen, as someone who fell in love with a trans woman decades ago (my ex), it’s more plausible than you’d think. I didn’t go shoot up people since I wasn’t raised right wing, but love does make you do crazy things!
You mean…they’re not transgender?! Who’d thunk it?!
Just mark one up against the stupid “a lot” response Kirk made when asked how many transgender shooters are out there.
Allegedly dating a trans person tho
Allegedly, we know little so far.
Nothing confirmed as of yet
Did they just learn about nuance and that practically nothing in life is strictly black and white?
Apparently because it’s always black… at least according to them
The people who need to learn a lesson will never change their minds. The “Change My Mind” crowd are not there to have their mind changed, it’s to try to change those who are weaker and not able to come up with conclusions on their own.
they want affirmation and assurances that thier beliefs are correct, if not they will find sources that will confirm thier biases. oh and they need to be constantly reminded of it, to convince them of thier koolaid drinking.
Precisely. They’re a thought-filter. They want to weed out the ones who can prove them wrong and only address the ones who’re aligned with their set of beliefs.
did they just learn about nuance
No. You’d be able to tell by how on fire they were.
You thought that right- and left-wing extremists are the problem, turns out the center-extremists are /s
I consider myself a centrist radical
Turns out all extremists are
What makes a man turn neutral? A lust for gold? Power? Or was he just born with a heart full of neutrality?
When the grillers grill back!
That is who seems to be most into ‘propaganda of the deed’ these days. They don’t really have anything else.
These radical centrists are messed up in the brain, left and right can agree to that at least. (We’re all fucked!)
I’ve been following all the news on him and he’s clearly a trans groyper antifa gun enthusiast centrist who likes to play Helldivers II.
(/s)
And it was a professional hit. And it was done by Trump as a distraction. And to cause a race war. And to stop Kirk from spreading hate.
I’m not one to condemn people on grounds of ideological purity, but didn’t helldivers pull some super-proprietary registration and telemetry bullshit?
IIRC, Sony is the publisher and wanted to require logging in through their service, but it wasn’t ready at launch so it launched without that requirement and they tried to add it later.
Does Helldiver’s 2 have game chat? Discord seems tame so far.
It does have a game chat. Hardly anyone uses it. Also I don’t think he’s that big on helldivers since he did ⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️, when he should have done ➡️ ➡️ ⬆️ or ➡️ ⬆️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ➡️
“An Eagle never misses” though. Tough choice.
Fuck that. I can’t get E1 to land 2 rockets on the hulk with my strategem beacon stuck on it’s face.
Fuggin’ turn it over, or let us fall through the grate. We’re already burnt to a crisp.
