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So smart, thank you for blessing us with your words of wisdom, Mr. Rich Person who is also an expert in art!
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The creative iterations part is funny to me. Sure, it cuts the time-span of each iteration down, potentially, if you are not proficient with what you are doing. However, because of the wild innaccuracies and lack of context of a physical world, you are also doing 5-10x more iterations than you otherwise would have, except you don’t get to learn and grow along the way.
Literally turns everything into worker-bee level stuff. Usual shareholder mentality to go for quantity over quality.
I mean they were talking about the McDonald’s commercial recently and how everybody is throwing a fit over the fact that it’s AI in McDonald’s actually finally pulled the advert. The company that created it said that it took three or four times as long to create because they kept having to go back and reprompt and recreate and fix an accurate season errors and issues. And then ended up costing more money and more man hours than utilizing actual actors and creatives to make it happen.
Relevant clip from Silicon Valley: https://youtu.be/u3o8Cygx1EU
Proof once more, as if we needed it, that the people who have traded their humanity for buying into the capitalist mindset, only ever think of things as if they were marketable products, and in terms of outcomes and productivity.
Fuck the creative process, the journey it takes you on, and the necessary introspection and connection to the world that needs to occur for it. Fuck the joy you can find in effort, failure, and in finally having an epiphany. Fuck being able to hone your skills without depending on a corporate tool that can be taken away from you at a minute’s notice. All of it be damned, you can now (allegedly) get to the same end result quicker without the effort (or pleasure, or self-discovery, or personal growth). We all know that the end result is what counts, and nothing else.
But yeah, people be mad because meanie artists gatekeep poor ol’ Mark, and nothing says “democratising” art like “automating the process out of your hands with corporate approved tools and ideology”.
Fuck sake.
Said by someone who is as creative as a rock.
He is very creative when it comes to swindle money out of people
This is the guy who did Cost Plus Drugs, right? Afaik that’s helped a lot of people.
Love that he thinks “if you know how to tell a great story you will love AI.” The whole point of AI is to cut out the telling a story part. In reality it’s “if you think you have a good idea for a story but don’t know how to tell one you’ll love whatever the AI spits out.” People who know how to do creative things don’t need AI to do it for them.
What the fuck would Mark Cuban know about creating art?
People let these business ghouls way the fuck out of their lane.
The point of art isn’t getting it done quickly. It’s the journey, the painstaking hours and the satisfaction of the finished piece.
The only people who think making art faster is good are marketing ghouls.
Well said. I mean, the thing produced is literally called a WORK (of art).
Yeah I think people like this see a book written by a human that took them a year to write and sold 1,000 copies and an AI that farts out 500 books in a day and sells 1,000 copies in total as essentially the same thing, except that the AI one is superior to them because it happened faster. Never mind that now Amazon is flooded with the 500 books the AI just made so nobody else can get seen, tomorrow we’ll just just make 1,000 books.
I kind of had that realization the other day. Art is just people taking time to make something, good or bad. What makes it valuable is the time + their ability. It is effectively a monetary battery of your time, charge it up with time, sell it for money.
The value is also partly the literal structure that you’ve built into your brain to have the skill set necessary to do that work.
Building skill in art is as profoundly impactful on your neurology as learning a new language or sciences.
I have issues with these LLMs but what he is saying here isn’t wrong. If people can use photoshop to create art, this is fundamentally no different.
I think people mistake the llm image generators as capable of generating a final output. They are a playground and shouldn’t be consider the final product anymore than amateur developers using it to write an entire program. Peole that have tried to shipping the LLM output as a final product have face the level of ridicule it deserves.
The more I see these discussions and the way everyone seemingly talked past each other, the more clear it seems these LLMs will create a measurable divide between those who can use them to improve productivity and those who refuse.
Each side of the divide will point at the other side’s extremists as proof for why their side is the correct side. But as with most things, the path is somewhere down the middle.
The massive issue is your first paragraph. The rest makes sense.
You should have found a different comparison. Photoshop, at least before they added Ai, was a tool that required competence and learning to use. You became better using and failing at it over time.
Llm as a bank of stolen work from great artists has its uses, like for initial concepts, which before I would do with Google images, looking at other people’s works. And like that, it just requires that I know what I’m looking for, not that I have any competence nor did it teach me anything other than learning what other people do.
The radicalism is bad but it’s inevitable since most people are trying to sell it as something that it is not.
Specially the employers. They don’t care if I’m getting better or learning anything, but that I’m outputting something faster and costing them less. It works for them, but it’s causing a great damage.
Creativity is fundamentally an exercise in brain plasticity. Enjoy your early onset dementia/Alzheimer’s when you don’t learn a damn thing for years on end.
AI makes uncreative people pretend to be creative.
It makes them create stuff that looks like shit to the trained eye, but is good or good enough for them, thus they don’t have to pay money to an actual professional. That doesn’t only relate to art, but to IT stuff as well. If you want it done right, hire a professional.
It’s the same with the “but my nephew can do it for a tenth of the price”-folks.
Just an anecdote, but recently, there have been many “crochet” 3D models posted to 3D printing sites. (Many of those are marked as AI-generated, too) Those look nothing like a crochet toy would look like. These models have a yarn-looking “V” pattern applied to every surface of 3D model, but this pattern comes not from crochet, but from hand-knit blankets (as far as I can tell).
I hate those people with a passion. Don’t flood my printables, you idiots!
creating something yourself also feels way more satisfying cause you can see your own progress in those creations
Putting effort in it is what makes it art. You as an artist has decided making this piece is worth your time. ”Art” without effort is just disposable slop.
Ai makes it more obvious why very rich people don’t deserve their wealth but they will say some of the dumbest shit and act enlightened.
Dear shitheads, creative people don’t hate ai because it create what they create, they hate it because it is build with stolen labor and used to push them out of the market. People like new tools that make their life easier… people don’t like when big companies steal their labor and push them out of the market.
They say this dumb shit to promote it. They have a ton on money invested in this newest scam.
Creative iteration is hard work. if it is only taking minutes, it is because it is not creative. Sure, it is hard to sit down and draw or write or do any work, but the best ideas happen during that process
It actually does cause brain damage. I mentioned it in an essay (What if I paid for all my free software?):
For one, power causes brain damage which renders rich people literally incapable of knowing what is best for others:
“Subjects under the influence of power, he found in studies spanning two decades, acted as if they had suffered a traumatic brain injury—becoming more impulsive, less risk-aware, and, crucially, less adept at seeing things from other people’s point of view.”
“And when he put the heads of the powerful and the not-so-powerful under a transcranial-magnetic-stimulation machine, he found that power, in fact, impairs a specific neural process, “mirroring,” that may be a cornerstone of empathy.” ―Power Causes Brain Damage, by Jerry Useem for The Atlantic.[16]
I greatly enjoyed your essay and found it thought-provoking. I dug through the references regarding power and its effect on the brain (and loss of empathy), and it was both surprising to find it was researched/established scientifically and not-so-surprising in that it explains so much of these people’s behavior.
Cheers
it explains so much of these people’s behavior
Indeed. For me, realizing the cause of problems continues to be instrumental to keep things in perspective when solutions are often too complex to contemplate. However, in this case the conclusion is clear: a wealth/power cap has to become normalized. The inverse of vaccinations, you take money away so the indefinite growth mind virus doesn’t grab hold to infect or impact society.
Thank you for having invested time and thought into my essay, it makes it all worthwhile, truly.
Are you kidding me? AI doesn’t make creative people more creative. Actually picking up a crayon or a pencil or whatever your jive is, and actively creating more, makes creative people more creative.
Also, lol, a former Shark Tank host pushing a grift, the jokes write themselves.
Also also, if you want to make art fast, cutting up some construction paper and playing with that is better, and more fun, than using AI by a longshot, and construction paper cutouts are the most basic form of art and one of, if not the first forms of art, that everyone in here has probably ever done.
Financial obesity is neurotoxic.
Wealth hoarding. It’s a mental illness.
But because they are hoarding money instead of toilet paper, pokemon cards or empty soda cans, they are somehow smart and we should worship them, instead of locking them in an institution.
“Financial Obesity” is definitely a term I’m going to use now, thanks.
I read the phrase “dictatorship of the wealthy” for the first time the other day. It always seemed obvious but, to see it put that way struck me as novel.
Without the greed mindset we just couldn’t possibly comprehend the benefits of turning our limited drinking water into more “art” than an artist ever wanted to create in the first place.
