But that’s because your healthcare system doesn’t really exist, and that’s true for just about everything

Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Many male doctors are sexist as hell. So unless you know there are treatments and bring it up and/or force the issue, the doctor isn’t going to tell you.

To be fair this is more industry specific than just motivated by some sense of misandry.

It’s specifically doctors. And medicine is still biased as fuck.

You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.

I subscribed to this? Could I see my signature on this contract?

The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem

But aren’t you doing the first, rather than the second with your post?

The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem

This is what I tried to hint at.

You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.

How is this different in the context of healthcare for women?

I’m hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it’s close to bringing the whole ‘men too’ crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.

This is irrelevant. The point is either valid or it isn’t. Neither you nor the person you’re talking to are responsible for the reactions of third parties. Judge the point being made on its own merits.

The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem

In an ideal world, maybe. But the health issues in question are relevant to a person’s sexual development (male vs. female) therefore it is functionally impossible to remove sex from the discussion.

They are a lot of risky behaviors that cause heart disease or cancer, like drug abuse (legal drugs included) or eating too much, and AFAIK drug abuse is definitely more common in men.

Cancer is a really broad cause of death. The cancer that has arguably the best funded research is breast cancer, which mostly affects women.

Personally I don’t go to the doctor because I am broke

Women: goes to doctor, doesn’t get good help because doctors suck, bad outcome.

Men: doesn’t go to doctor in the first place because doctors suck, bad outcome.

#healthcare

“Self-inflicted” but when women suffer from e.g. ridiculous beauty standards, then it is a societal issue.

Machismo culture is not “self-inflicted” because

1. Men are not a “self”. Even if my father would have raised me like that, I am not my father, so consequently it wouldn’t be self-inflicted.
2. Society is promoting and pushing machismo culture to men. Men are not the only one promoting it. Women promote machismo culture too. I can tell you that from my own personal experience and frankly, personally, I felt greater pressure from women in my life than from men to be “toxic-masucline”.

And obviously, it is wrong that women suffer from societal pressure too and they have my full support. This is not about demonising women, it is about calling out the narrative that societal pressure on men is “self-inflicted” and societal pressure on women is “caused by men”. We all do it and we all need to stop. Support each other. Raise your children to be supportive of self expression. Sexism is bad.

Most of the stuff known as AI in the current environment is really, really powerful inference engines. And understanding the limits of inference (see for example Hume’s Problem of Induction) is an important part of understanding the appropriate scope of where these tools are actually useful and where they’re actively misleading or dangerous.

So, take the example of filling in unknown details in a low resolution image. We might be able to double the number of pixels and try to fill in our best guesses of what belongs in the in-between pixels that weren’t in the original image. That’s probably a pretty good use of inference.

But guessing what’s off the edge of the picture is built on a less stable and predictable process, less grounded in what is probably true.

When we use these technologies, we need domain-specific expertise to be able to define which problems are the interstitial type where inferential engines are good at filling things in, and which are trying to venture beyond the frontier of what is known/proven and susceptible to “hallucination.”

That’s why there’s likely going to be a combination of things that are improved and worsened by the explosion of AI capabilities, and it’ll be up to us to know which is which.

Exactly. AI/ML absolutely has useful use cases, it’s just not a complete solution for literally anything.

Part of the problem is telomerase being lost. The downside is that it’s a cancer prevention mechanism, so messing with it (by adding more) is bad news.

And yet everyone seems to age the same. Funny how those “mistakes” never turn me into a whale or a plant, I surmise it’s a bit more complex than that.

I’ll remember that the next time women take men talking about men’s issues as an attack on women.

Putting the gender-related issues into a meme with a “if this affected men then there would be more funding” doesn’t feel like discussing issues and more like “gender war”.

There is only the class war. Concern silos have failed their intended purpose, (assuming their purpose was not dividing the working class of course) and we should move on towards solidarity amongst the working class.

I have zero Healthcare by the way. No insurance, no doctor. I want better outcomes for everyone. We all should be pissed about the state of the world together.

Most issues of race and gender are about wealth disparity, i.e. social class.

If someone from a “targeted minority group,” say, a woman of color, is in a high-paying administrative position with a comprehensive benefits package and good healthcare, and has a 7+ figure net worth, and all the things that come with wealth and social position, then you can’t reasonably say she’s oppressed.

Dividing men versus women in this fake gender war is socially engineered by the oligarchy to reduce social cohesion and make it impossible for people to band together. Likewise, exacerbating racial tensions is used to divide the working class into easily manageable chunks or silos.

The only way anybody will ever overcome oppression, regardless of gender or race, is for people of all genders and races to work together towards the common goal of reducing wealth inequality. That doesn’t seem possible at the moment because everyone is so upset about their personal oppression or their group’s marginalization or whatever pet grievances they have, that they’ll never consider to work together with someone who seems to be outside their in-group.

If people buy into the belief that it’s about men versus women or about black versus white, then people won’t be able to see past their differences and work together, because they’ll believe the “other” has interests that compete with their own.

That’s why the above commenter said the only true conflict is class conflict. Everything else is socially engineered by the people at the top to keep everyone else broken and divided and easy to control.

you can come up with some complicated strained logic for why things like homophobia or racism are a class issue

Divide and conquer. Simple enough for you?

Same principal that IT works off of now. Hey, get rid of the email client you’ve been comfortably using for years, and instead buy this jankier version that you need to pay a subscription for…

The anti vaxx movement was a conspiracy by big pharma to get people to stop taking the cheapest way to prevent disease, so that they can profit on the expensive ways to treat those easily preventable diseases.

* US insulin racket. Be specific.

So, to this I would say, yes and no. The actual privilege is the knowledge on the different forms of resistance training.

If the knowledge is in place, actual physical inaccessibility to the practice is incredibly fringe. Even people with pretty extreme pathologies have access (more often than not, it is explicitly medically recommended for them to train).

The key to understanding the accessibility is identifying the movement patterns and how to load them. Right so, you may be thinking things at this point like, “well plenty of people don’t have a car, or can’t afford a gym membership, or don’t even have a gym nearby, or don’t have any time in the day to train.” This is all very valid and will change how your training looks.

But resistance training is available everywhere. For some specific examples,

I had an 80 year old woman who had all but lost the ability to raise her arms above her head. She can’t drive and doesn’t really have access to the gym. But she does have a pantry full of cans of soup! So I progressed her through some isometrics, then eventually got her doing lat raises with the small cans. Then some bicep curls, also with the soup. Triceps ended up being (sorry if this is tough to visualize) laying down in bed with her elbow propped up on a pillow, doing a type of single arm skullcrusher with the soup.

Well it turns out after a few months of training these muscles and adding some reps, with a little work coordinating it all together, she eventually could pick up a soup, curl it to her shoulder, then push it above her head! Then after a while she could do it for reps! In practical terms, at this point she had restored her ability to dress herself independently and take food out of her freezer.

It turns out you can do most things with soup! Started her on seated good mornings (a type of deadlift) with the soup to hit her hinge. Put a can of soup in a grocery bag and hooked it around her foot so she could do seated quad extensions from her dining room chair. Hopefully this is getting the idea across

On the other hand, the biggest barrier in my experience is depression. It doesn’t really matter what is theoretically accessible to you if you simply can’t be mustered to do it. I have one client where I agreed their workouts would basically be optional and I wouldn’t charge them for last minute cancellations. So I basically just set them a time where I have something else I could be doing, and if they show up, great, if not, no big deal.

I set this arrangement up in direct contradiction to my mentor’s advice, who is a great trainer but is very business oriented. And to be fair there’s no way I could take a second client like this.

But you know what, I’ll be darned, even showing up only 30% of the time they have actually totally transformed their body in about 6 months. Huge strength increases and about 20lbs of bodyweight loss as the same time. It’s actually kind of challenged some of the ideas I have about the importance of “consistency”, at least for beginners.

Anyway, sorry for such a lengthy reply. You put me in an awkward position, I can’t exactly just say, “No way bro, just figure out a setup for grandma to start doing deadlifts and skullcrushers bro” even though that really pretty much is the gist of it lmao. A big part of the problem is that people have very deeply rooted preconceptions of training to the point where they end up deeming themselves ineligible before ever really considering they have a ton of options

I think the previous comment was rather hyperbolic, but to a degree it’s true. I wouldn’t call it solved, obviously, since removing all other factors, women experience more osteoporosis and overall bone loss than men in general. Though when we consider activity, it’s more common for men to be physically active in general, and higher overall muscle mass means greater bone density in the longer term, to my understanding.

But also, most of western society is extremely sedentary, and there is a certain inertia when it comes to encouraging physical fitness as a solution. People do tend to want a magic pill for things. Just look at all the fervor over Ozempic.

I wonder how it looks for women who started before menopause though rather than after.

Incredibly disingenuous of you to phrase it as “unable to deny that it’s good” while posting irrelevant snippets from studies. Yes, research is still ongoing on how much resistance training is needed to reap the full benefits. Research of this type will always be ongoing.

Meanwhile, the consensus of all medical experts is that women should be training because it has the power to reverse the course of this debilitating illness, among about a hundred thousand other significant benefits. We’re not at the “looking into it” stage, we’re at “the mayo clinic officially recommends training” stage.

Everyone with an idea of how debilitating illnesses usually play out will have correctly identified this as a being a miracle. You, like me, should be rejoicing in this fact and going out into the streets to yell this news at everyone who will listen.

It is such a sadness that women have for so long been robbed of their opportunity to partake in training due to stigma

Not sure it’s a generation thing. For example, Gen X grew up with ladies workout videos, thigh master, the little white guy with the Afro, etc. Could this be a reaction to the body positivity movement?

Maybe it’s not a “this is what men desire” thing but rather a “this is what society as a whole expects of women” thing

Same with mine! There’s been a lot of outreach and acceptance and many women have discovered that training can be a joy. I think much credit can also be granted to the sport of women’s powerlifting, which is growing rapidly

It sounds like you’ve cultivated a very gym positive space, and that’s great! But yes it far more common still for women to be repulsed by the idea of lifting weights, often because of fears of “becoming too big” or “looking like a man”

Acceptance of lifting is absolutely growing among women, as it should be, but there’s a lot of work left to do!

I hate to tell you, but this sort of anti-science medical fearmongering is half the reason why millennials and older had to suffer through their entire formative years and young adult lives dealing with untreated ADHD by treating help as if it’s makes people lesser than others.

They’re just kids! They don’t need no ritalin, that’s just how boys are! He just needs to focus, and that’s on the school to figure out! Besides, what happens when they stop taking it, all the good work you’ve done for 10 years including the capability of getting a good job will just fall apart when the apocalypse hits!

Okay, Bill. Now don’t forget to take your omeprazole and losartan heart meds before you have to visit the ER again from thinking you’re having a heart attack, or actually having one again.

Do we have any actual evidence of this, or is this just Faustian speculation?

Whenever there is as new, truly revolutionary medical treatment, there is always a mountain of fear mongering around it. People just don’t want to accept that we actually can make real progress. Hell, any time there is any new treatment discusses, the top posts are always people saying that only the rich will ever be able to afford it. Of course, every treatment starts that way, and countless treatments that were once only for the rich can now be enjoyed by everyone.

I think it’s a logical error that people make, simply because they are wary of scams. It’s generally healthy to be skeptical of miraculous promises. But that goes too far when people replace “we should treat this skeptically” with “there simply must be some horrible cost to this revolutionary good thing. I will assume there is one, even if there is no evidence for it. Anything that good has to be a deal with the Devil carrying some horrible cost.”

It’s a serious concern. To properly lose weight with the support of these drugs you need resistance training and to eat right

Funny enough, Cory Doctorow covered something similar in his book Makers. There was a therapy (I forget, either injection or gene therapy) that led to obese people being able to eat whatever they want and still get thin. They ended up essentially skeletal and brittle in the end over years, turned out it’s very bad for you and they ended up needed to eat like 10k calories a day to survive.

outdated information. elevated risks are taken into consideration in tailoring specific therapy, but it’s looking like mht is a lot safer / more beneficial than previously thought.

i would add, there are more benefits to mht than preventing osteoporosis, namely - heart health, preventing dementia, and generally improving quality of life.

While that’s a nice effort, the post remains inaccessible, and the only remedy is for OP to fix their post (easiest remedy: link to source). To explain, opening every inaccessible post to maybe find a detached, buried comment of unclear reliability demands inequitably more of the disabled user than everyone else, so it isn’t a remedy.

Yes, ad hominem rather than engaging with notion men are disposable in western society. Trully the mark of a civilized, rather than dogmatic individual.

We know why osteoporosis happens, we know why it mostly hits women and we know how to manage the disease besides the wealth of screening and counseling programs. It also happens to affect men. So this entire post is a misinformed piece designed to resurrect the old war of sexes trope. Anything and any war to distract the people from the only war that matters, class war.

Not that I expected a usanian to understand nuanced discussion anyway.

The post is BS, society sees both women and men as disposable as long as they are lower class. Osteoporosis also hits men although at a lower incidence. At best the poster is misinformed, at worst, it’s a modern propagation of the old “divide to conquer” strategy.