He’s been real quiet lately. No more talks of release the list or the America Party. Did his K plug go on vacation?
They finally did it. They automated crime 👍
When a self driving car breaks the law, the CEO should get the demerit points on their own licence, and if they lose their licence, the cars can’t drive anymore.
The second one of these cars cause a fatal collision due to wanton disregard of the law on part of the CEO, he should be held criminally liable.
That would be funny but better yet, the entire line of cars gets the feature deleted from them and customers are reimbursed the entire value of the car plus interest in exchange for having risked their lives testing an unstable and dangerous vehicle.
bail out the idiots that bought cybertrucks?
eehhhh…
This hurts Tesla more
Remember when Elon said how self driving would make roads safer?
I do remember when musky boy said lies. Many, many lies…
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I drive a Tesla. I live in Connecticut, speed limits are set very low and are ignored by just about everybody Including police, as long as you’re not driving recklessly.
The problem with the latest FSD versions is they take precise speed control out of the driver’s hands. In previous versions, you could manually set a maximum speed. Now you cannot, you only pick one of these driving profiles.
So for example if I’m driving on a 55 mph highway, and all the other cars are doing 75 mph, I have to pick the ‘Hurry’ profile which also hangs out in the left lane and makes a lot of lane changes and faster acceleration/braking. I would much rather drive standard style but with higher speed, but that isn’t an option.
Or… you could just drive yourself.
I drive a tesla
Self own, tbh.
Spyware on wheels won’t let me break the law
Why use FSD though if you would still need to pay attention and be ready to take over the car? I understand cruise control to a degree but the other stuff I dont see how its helpful to rely on a computer that can malfunction at any moment.
All these L2 systems (not just Tesla’s) really do lower the cognitive load and makes things easier, even if you still have to pay attention.
Remember when you were learning to drive and making sure you did everything right took up a lot of your cognitive ability while driving, maybe you couldn’t even carry on a conversation and drive, and as you got more experienced, a lot of it became second nature, and the load on driving became less?
Well that load is still there, it’s just less, and this can lower it further even if you are still having to pay attention.
so ppl can get even more reliant on technology and would be downright dangerous behind the wheel of an older vehicle? awesome…
I think there’s a distinction to make between driver assistance technologies and how drivers become reliant on automation. Because otherwise, should we not have automatic transmission, either?
I got a tesla and I don’t fucking trust that shit to not slam me in to a barrier
This article is hysterical, I can’t believe its not an onion article.
And all the innocent people that get splattered in the process will just be chimps shot into space
I don’t agree with the notion that chimps are less life-worthy than humans. There’s too much humans on this world but not too much chimps.
They didn’t pay for the car, so why do they get a say right?
Sarcasm.
Simple. They buy a don’t run me over subscription. The free market triumphs once again /s
Hmm “don’t run me over” insurance! I’m gonna start a business around this idea.
Can an insurance company get insurance in case it ever has to pay out? Cause I foresee a lot of payouts unless your insurance comes with force fields
Dude can we get so much as a copyright violation from Warner Bros on this shit?
you, too, can die at the hands of AI and become forever enshrined as algorithmic data to help improve Tesla’s subscription services sales to the very wealthy and hostile
Yep. This is inevitable. Whenever we get to the point where consumers are controlling the aggression of the self driving, which will happen no matter laws are past.
Ultimately it’s all just code on hardware.
Tesla is definitely doing their fuck around, still waiting to find out on this one. Eventually that liability will catch up with them. The question is months, years, or decades.
which comes with higher speeds and more frequent lane changes
Go kiss a concrete pillar, ya duds
Since it seems to be unsafe at any speed, why not.
Because now it can hurt others going even faster
Maybe it comes with a “scape the police over the border” bottom.
Since it’s Elon more likely to go directly to the police station
Because there are levels of unsafe and this is more unsafe
The less time you’re at the cars mercy…
Just because Elon is above the law doesn’t mean you are, even if you’re in a Tesla. Good luck.
Even if you’re just minding your business when a sleeping pilled-out middle manager from Subway corporate plows into your 98 Corolla in their Tesla at 100 mph leaving your family without a father and source of income because a billionaire nazi who’s constantly off his nut on ketamine decided rules are stupid and don’t apply to him and the entire societal structure designed to prevent this from happening has been hollowed out by incompetent bigots who absolutely rate high on the sociopath scale because nazi media has ensnared 51% of the population and now you dead.
I agree with you but may I offer you a comma in these trying times?
They’re optional
Take a breath, dude.
Edit: lol at the downvotes. It’s just a gag about the lack of punctuation on a comment that I otherwise agree with. Fuck you people are stupid sometimes.
They’re correct, though.
Yes.
And now you dead.
I’m not sure what this system does, but my non-Tesla car can adjust its intelligent cruise control by speed limit signs it sees, and you can tell it to have a buffer. Mine is set for +5, so if the sign says 45 miles per hour, the car drives itself at 50 mph.
If it’s something like that, which you set yourself, it’s probably fine. Just know what the police in your area enforce. Where I live you can generally go five over without an issue, ten over on the freeways. Everyone does this, so if you go the speed limit you end up annoying everyone.
This is kinda dumb. So they have to adjust speed limits below safe levels so you don’t get over it?
So dumb that society collectively agreed that 35 means 40, 40 means 45, 45 means 50, etc.
There’s a little more to it than that. They also need to consider that, in cars with an analogue speed dial, the actual speed is not displayed precisely. Plus, there may be minor discrepancies between the speed dial and the actual speed, which can be affected by non-standard tyres etc. So a small “buffer” in acceptable speeds is pretty reasonable.
I recall being told by someone at a Mitsubishi factory that car manufacturers actually intentionally set the speed dials to be slightly higher speed than reality to accommodate for people’s need to break the rules just a little…!
Can confirm the last part.
Almost every car with speed control set to, for examole, 50 kph was metered at 45kph on GPS.I was also told it’s about the calibration of the radar guns. They are calibrated to -7/+0 meaning if you are going 47 mph there is a chance you are picked up as going 40. That said if you are going 41 or 42 there is a good chance the cop picks you up as going less than 40.
That I understand, but as the person I replied to said that I hope you read, people intentionally go 50 in the 45.
So the grace window you mention is irrelevant; you’d be doing 51 in the 45.
In Germany there are speedtraps everywhere.
No bs cop on-site decides, that today you have chosen a bad day.
It makes us feel like we’re speedy little rebels. 🤣
But then why don’t we all shoplift packs of gum every week?
Speeding is the one law everyone agrees is fun and acceptable to break a bit, despite being more dangerous than many actual crimes.
Because when the road is built for a safe speed target of 65, then the limit is set at 55 instead, yeah you get people who are breaking the legal limit but not the actual safe speed.
Edit: forgot a link: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/design/standards/151007.cfm
tl;dr: design speeds and speed limits are not necessarily related. “Selection of a posted speed is an operational decision for which the owner and operator of the facility is responsible.”
Where I’m at, they’re trying to do that plan where they lower speed limits and change the roads to reflect the slower speeds with narrowing, or bikes lanes, or speed bumps etc to reduce car accident deaths, but they ignored the entire part about changing the roads to reflect the new speeds, and just lowered the speeds.
So you got these 4-6 lane roads that were designed for 50km/h and now they’re 30-40km/h and absolutely no one, is doing the posted limit, at the new 30 areas, not even cops.
All I can come up with is now if you speed like people may have before, you’re really over the limit, so it’s easier to ticket someone? Like before people might have gone 55-60 in the 50 zone, but now going 55 is well over 40, and impound level over 30.
Do you think that every or most roads have the wrong speed limit? I sure don’t.
If it didn’t, it would be pretty damn annoying as cars always show higher than actual speed. I’ve had to set our BMW to do +8km/h so that it actually does 120km/h on GPS and not 112.
as cars always show higher than actual speed
Although that is true, your car is quite extreme in that regard. In Germany cars are not allowed to deviate by more than 3kph at speeds below 100, and 3% at speeds above 100. I doubt BMW uses different speedometer for cars sold in foreign countries so I’m pretty sure there is something wrong with yours. Maybe you installed smaller diameter tires than from factory?
Hmmh, could be, though both are “from the factory”, the winter/summer tires are slightly different sizes. But the allowed error in the EU overall (or at least in Finland) is 10% +4km/h, so it’s still well withing “spec”.
slips the cop a hundred, or five
“enjoy your trip, carry on”
So there’s finally a “New Jersey” mode.
80 on 80 or gtfo
Amen to that.
“that breaks speed limits” can be ok.
I have seen a number of US interstates posted at 55mph, when traffic moves at 70-80mph. Being stuck at 55mph on those interstates is dangerous.
I hear this argument a lot and I’m not disagreeing per se. But we should be clear. It can be dangerous for 1 out of 10 cars to be driving 55 instead of 75. But it would be safer by far if all 10 cars drove 55.
It can depend on your locale. I live in a country where outside of highways, posted speed limits are a joke. The cops would probably honk you if you were going the posted limit on a non highway road.
The fact that this FSD mode comes with “more frequent lane changes” means it isn’t just keeping up with traffic. It’s designed to go faster than traffic. Stop making herr Elon’s points for him.
You’re talking about the “95 percentile” rule, right?
I do aknowledge that’s always going to be the problem when we have the human + AI driver combinations.
Safest hypothetical is 100% AIs that always follow the same rules… next safest is humans that break the rules, but in a context aware situation (IE everyone going 70 in a 55, is safer than 1 car going 55 and all other cars going 70).
Real danger though is if the AI doesn’t make good judgement calls when doing so. IE rather than deciding based on how fast other cars are going, it’s primary determination is whether the user says they are in a hurry, leading it to sometimes be the one car going 55, but if the person is in a hurry it may be the only car going 70 on a road everyone else is going 55.
It’s not speed that kills. It’s acceleration. Everyone doing 70 means nobody is an obstacle. But one person doing 55 in that situation is effectively a rolling road block. Even if they’re not hit by someone else they’ll cause accidents as people change lanes to get around them.
“It’s not the speed that kills”
Yes it is. It’s the speed and the weight.
The impact force doubles from 55 to 70. That’s a spectacular difference. Driving cars is already the most dangerous thing we do and this talk about if computers make good judgment calls or not? They make better judgment calls than humans every time.
Just because people want to speed on the road doesn’t mean we need to accept the crazy idea that it’s somehow safe for them.
Yes but if everyone is doing 70 there won’t be impacts between the cars.
Speed is also not part of force. That’s acceleration times mass. Sudden stops and starts are deadly because of acceleration, not speed.
Obviously any road where people are doing 55 shouldn’t have pedestrians or cyclists.
Acceleration is a derivative of velocity
Which is also a vector. Speed is a scalar.
Wow look at the brain on this one everybody
This is complete bullshit, by someone who has a fixated idea but knows nothing.
At 70 break distance is longer, time to react is shorter, and collision speeds are higher. All factors that increase danger and damage.
You might as well claim that driving 250 is perfectly safe if everybody do it.
Obviously acceleration as in negative acceleration is greater in Collisions at higher speeds. You are either a troll or a very very illogical person.If everyone is doing 250 they won’t hit each other. But if one person is doing 125 things get a lot less safe.
The rest of it is not what I’m talking about. I am aware that all of the rest is true, but is outside of what I’m describing.
Maybe we just eliminate all transportation that can exceed walking speed. You know, for safety.
“Between cars”
Right it’s not like anyone ever has car trouble and the road is always free of obstacles and animals!
It’s exactly like the oil pipeline people. “It’s perfectly safe unless it leaks” but they always leak!! That’s just a fact of life!
“Any road where people are doing 55 shouldn’t have pedestrians on cyclists “
Lots of roads are 55 and have sidewalks.
Hell I got a perfect example. I know one road near the airport that’s 60 until about 100 yards from the school zone where it drops to 20 then picks back up. No one slows down. They blast 70 straight thru (people add 10mph to every posted sign around here because the cops “won’t pull you over for just going a little over”)
So my question to you… on that road what is the safe solution? Should cars slow down and risk a wreck that way? Blast thru the school crosswalk going 70? Or do we need to just close the school and move it away from all those important drivers in a hurry?
Go the speed limit. Safety laws are written in blood buddy. They exist because people kept dying.
Bad road design is an entirely different problem.
And I’ve got a question for you: it’s rush hour and everyone is doing 70 in a 55. How do you enforce this? Pull everyone over?
“Pull everyone over “
I love how you phrase that like it’s some ridiculous impossibility lol.
Speed cameras. Send them all a ticket.
“Bad road design is a different problem”
Yeah just like crashing is a different problem lol.
“It’s not my fault that orphanage was flammable! I just like playing with fireworks! They should build better orphanages.
Sorry for the second reply but these kinda arguments always remind me of the joke
“No street racing should be legal. It’s completely safe! Oh not if they crash but that’s street crashing not racing. I’m very against street crashing. Racing is safe tho”
And I got to know… do you wear a seatbelt when driving? Why? Just don’t crash instead, why waste time with a seatbelt?
I know a few people who have been pulled over for driving the speed limit and making it unsafe by creating a rolling road block.
Most accidents on highways are the result of lane changes, and people not going with the flow of traffic increases lane changes.
I know a guy who got arrested for looking like another guy. Laws are often crappy. Those people you know… what’s thier accident history like? Do they crash a lot? I’m guessing not. I’ve never even come close to hitting another car in all my 20+ years of driving.
The evidence is very clear that speed kills. You are spreading misinformation.
A car doing 70 will not hit another car also doing 70.
Whether they hit something else is a different situation.
But a car doing 55 in traffic doing 70 is a -15mph roadblock that will either be hit by someone else or cause an accident as people change lanes to get around it.
Unless you’re able to stop everyone from speeding it’s going to be this way.
Y’all got any of them
on/off ramps
it’s not just a matter of safety, efficiency also plummets above 55mph for very little benefit.
Solid context that I hadn’t considered. Thanks.
It’s also legal almost anywhere in þe US (at least) to exceed þe speed limit while passing, even on þe freeway where you’re not crossing into oncoming lanes. A limiter does not take into account valid cases.
Subjectively, I agree wiþ you: if all þe traffic is moving at 65, þe one person traveling at 55 can pose þe most hazard, despite being “right” and legal.
Can you go into any state or town’s laws and actually find where it says that? Because I’m willing to bet that it isn’t legal to ignore the speed limit while passing someone.
