Oh God can we not just call everything we dislike AI? This isn’t AI. Look at the street view pics. And her hand makes sense - just zoom in on it. She’s clutching the sign with her thumb in front and four fingers behind, probably because that’s how she was carrying it before raising it. The wall is constantly being repainted, the door looks exactly like that. The line on the cardboard is due to the seam in the cardboard - haven’t you ever written on cardboard before? Are you kidding me? We KNOW people out there support ICE. You think an ICE worker sat around to make this image? If you want to accuse them of faking this, you’d have an easier time saying they just sent their own employee out there to hold the sign up.
Fuck, it looks like the average /pol/ thread in here. I remember when they were looking at stills from the Charlie Kirk assassination video and saying that his ring switched hands and that it’s proof that it’s AI generated and he’s actually still out there alive somewhere. Be better than that. Get your heads out of your asses, and remember: the more you WANT something to be true, the more wary you should be to believe evidence of it, because you’re biased.
We know that there are people who do support ICE, but those people can’t spell the word appreciate.
Look at the street view pics. And her hand makes sense
You know image AI inpainting exists right? I mean, you’re probably correct, but you could absolutely take a real protester and just…change the text on their sign. Hell, you don’t even need AI to use photoshop.
Also, hands don’t mean shit anymore. AI has mastered hands and legible text.
Lmao yea this is real.
Yeah, this shot looks a little odd, but I don’t see any hallmarks of AI generation here. Honestly, I think it’s just heavy zoom on a phone with automatic postprocessing. Wouldn’t be surprised if this was what 10 or 20x zoom looks like on some Android phone, with the weird smoothing around her leg and some other details like it.
All the details you’ve mentioned that people are calling out aren’t really the kind of thing AI does at all, people now just assume anything that looks odd is AI, which uh… yeah, makes sense, say hello to one of the obvious consequences of AI image generation. Wish us luck over the next decade 😬
It could be a mix. It’s hard to tell for sure, but the text on the sign really looks like other AI-generated text I’ve seen. It’s really easy to take an existing photo, select an area and type in a prompt that will only affect that area, so the door being real or whatever doesn’t mean much
I think it’s more that she’s fucking tiny compared to the door and the wood in the back just ends behind her somewhere with no reason for it to. AI
Sure there are dummies who support ICE, but this isn’t one of them because this person doesn’t exist
Who fucking cares? It’s propaganda, so you fight it with more propaganda.
It’s about time that Dems showed up to the party with a six pack of beer, ready to play cards, instead of just threatening to call the cops.
Them reposting it definitely constitutes propaganda, but I think it’s important not to just call it AI when it isn’t. And anyways, the best propaganda isn’t blatant falsehoods. Everyone working themselves up into a furor thinking that this is AI just makes us look like a bunch of morons who will believe anything that suits their worldviews. Isn’t that exactly what we supposedly look down on the other side for? Or is it okay to embrace all their values and techniques, until both sides just become mirror images of each other?
Truth is a critically important thing. We must never put truth to the side in favor of merely feeling right. When you put your wishes and feelings over truth, that creates the cracks by which a movement becomes corrupted and deranged.
With competency, AI and an artist, they could of made a photorealistic convincing picture. But no.
I’m amazed they got it to render legible text (or maybe they photoshopped that in), but apparently no one stopped to notice that woman is either three feet tall, or that door frame is fifteen feet tall.
Here’s the wall in question. Even accounting for a high angle, this appears to have been manipulated. But it’s Portland, so a very small woman could have absolutely been holding an ironic sign as masses of people just out of frame protest.
Yeah I was thinking she’s either a little person or that door is really oversized. From your image it looks like a normal door. So she’s a little person or AI/photo-shopped.
Hobbits for Trump!
The current models are very good at text.
And holding up an enormous sign above her head by only her middle finger and thumb.
Her hand was the first thing I noticed.
If you zoom in on it you can see she’s gripping it with her thumb in front and her fingers in back to stabilize it. Picture holding a sign and a pinch grip between your thumb and fingers as you walk. Then raise your hand and hold it up. Your thumb will be facing out and your fingers will be facing the same direction as your back. That’s what she’s doing here.
That’s pretty easily explained by the photo being taken from several stories up.
*As a rule I usually don’t comment about downvotes, but for those blindly dismissing counterarguments without a thought, consider that the full danger of generated content isn’t only in making up things that didn’t happen, but also in providing an excuse to dismiss and delegitimize things that did happen. If we as a society are to have any hope of handling this growing era of disinformation, we need to remain vigilant against both sides of this. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s ok to claim “ai did it” and move on. You might as well stick your head in the sand if that’s your approach.
The fact about your downvotes is that your assessment is wrong. Whatever elevation this would have been taken from has no bearing on the disproportionality between the height of the person and the height of the door as depicted. (FWIW I didn’t downvote you, though.)
It does, but there’s also her stance and distance from the wall. People are commenting like she’s depicted as miniature when she’s maybe 1 ft shorter than the door, so probably around 5 ft all herself.
As another example, there’s the viral photo of Noem’s “stare down” targets from the other day (https://files.catbox.moe/f1e52i.png). Would you argue the woman behind the chicken man is twice his height? Or that the sign on the right is towering over the group? No, because we know that a change in vantage distorts the perception of size. Why this is just ignored here is either willful ignorance or a brash lack of knowledge.
Huh?
There’s barely any difference in proportion between those people and certainly none due to height of the vantage point, only a couple of feet worth of distance from the camera.
I can’t believe we have to have this argument. People have functioning eyeballs, right? You’ve been looking at objects at various distances your entire life? That’s not how perspective works.
So when you eliminate the distance exacerbated by the height, the difference is negligible. Interesting. Wonder what that looks like in the OP photo: https://files.catbox.moe/g9vyzb.png
You aren’t wrong that a high altitude could cause an effect like that, but if that were the case, then neither of them should appear that large in the photo (and especially not that wide). And if it was taken from close enough that they should look that big, then the shape of the door should be warped more or the distance between the person and the door should look smaller. Basically, all of the proportions can’t exist together in the photo as they are; something would have to change, whether the distance from the person to the door, the shape/angle of the door, the height/angle of the person, etc… You can’t just compare the raw heights and say they’re the same without factoring in anything else.
You’re throwing out a lot of unconfirmable factors as if that “proves” it’s generated when they could equally prove it’s real. You say it “can’t exist” as is without providing any actual evidence supporting that claim. All your comment does is demonstrate that we don’t know enough from one photo alone.
You can’t just compare the raw heights and say they’re the same without factoring in anything else.
That is literally what the user I responded to did.
The more I think about it the more I’m beginning to believe it’s zoomed in. Like when you take a picture of the moon and you zoom in the moon gets bigger compared to your surroundings (streets, hills, whatever). But I’m lacking the experience, that door might be way too close for that effect.
There isn’t enough distance between them for that to be a factor, and even so the door would already have to be enormous to produce that effect. In short, you can’t make an object behind another object appear larger than an object in front of it via any kind of optical trickery. That’s not how distance works. You can make your foreground object appear larger relative to the background object by playing with foreshortening, which is exactly the opposite of what’s being proposed here.
You can do the thing with the moon at terrestrial scales and distances because it’s the size of the moon, and very far away. Since the apparent diminishing in size of an object is roughly geometric in relationship to its distance from you, how far away you are from a terrestrial subject (say, a person) will influence the apparent size of that subject much more than it will the apparent size of the moon, which unless you own a rocketship will always be basically the same distance away from you proportionally speaking.
Parallax depends on the focal length of the lens, and distance from the photographer. This looks real to me.
I’d wager it’s more likely staged with a wife of an ice agent and a photographer than AI.
Given that other posters have found the physical location and it more or less jives with the background, I’m leaning towards someone doing a cut-and-paste job to doctor a photograph. Your theory could also be valid.
I don’t think that is how zoom works (without severe lensing afferents) - the size of the moon compared to everything else stays the same, its our perception of the pic that changes.
Eg - the moon is still the same width compared to the hill in both views:
And while we’re at it, the moon only appears big when it’s close to the horizon because then it’s adjacent to other objects to give us a frame of reference. The width of the moon always covers 31 arc minutes or basically half of one degree in the sky, regardless of how high or low it is. (Yes, with extremely minor variation over time due to the eccentricity of its orbit, but these are so small that they’re not even remotely visible to the naked eye.)
That poor pupper.
Don’t worry, they recovered. But it was funny nontheless.
I was just showing how MoonMoon stays the same size too, regardless of the derp.
Yeah they could’ve been on a neighboring building and zoomed in to take a picture of a single person holding a sign.
Or they could’ve just generated an image.
With the blurring and weird repainted wall way and way the text is all lined up nicely almost makes it look like a classic photoshop but I’m no expert either.
JUST look at the shit behind her legs on the sidewalk, its so fucking wrong
-calling people violent
-literally abduct people off the street and into their car, mexican cartel style
Love that for some reason, the AI drew “AI” right under the woman, like leaving a signature.
She is missing a fucking arm ffs…
No, it’s extended backwards.
She lost it during the chancla wars, while ICE heroically defended the nations from abuelas selling arroz congrí at the flea market.
Signs I see for AI are the small but adult girl, compared to the weird looking giant door; the wooden beam coming from the right side but abruptly ends just behind the person; the overpainted wall which looks kinda too clean; the sign which looks photoshopped in; that metal bar in the top left corner coming out of nowhere. Am I missing something? Doesn’t look too much AI tbh, just completely out of context. She could also be cheering on the illegal aliens.
Edit before anyone mentions the obviously disfigured hand: that’s a normal hand and if you wonder then you don’t know hand anatomy.
None of that is out of place, imo. And in particular, the writing shows clear and consistent evidence that it was written on cardboard, not just shopped in. While that’s not ironclad evidence, it’s one piece at odds with claims of generation.
How about the missing hand? Or the fact that brick turns into shiny metal? Or the signs boarder is wavy… there is so much wrong with this… it’s ai for sure…
But the scary thing is when this shit is not distinguishable from real life and we are already getting there… you shouldn’t believe anything anymore without trusting a source who saw it for themselves…
Edit: I might of been to hasty on my judgements… it has signs of ai only because its such poor quality. I still don’t think the sign is real maybe even the woman is ai composite… I read somewhere that its a still from a video which explains a lot… I did pull up the street view of the location shown below… still looking for said viedo
Most of the oddities is due to focal length and not AI. Everything looks real to me, it’s just a weird angle and photographed with probably an actual camera and not a phone.
Or the fact that brick turns into shiny metal?
It’s a piece of metal coming from above. You can see where it ends.
Or the signs boarder is wavy
Cutting cardboard with a box cutter often results in edges like that.
How about the missing hand?
This bit is admittedly odd, but I’m not ruling out a reasonable explanation. Arm behind back, or even an amputee. Would explain the one handed grip on the large sign.
But the scary thing is when this shit is not distinguishable from real life and we are already getting there… you shouldn’t believe anything anymore without trusting a source who saw it for themselves
Yeah, that is certainly true. Been dreading that for a while now and it’s quickly becoming reality. This isn’t going to be a fun period in history for people that value truth and accuracy.
You are being down voted for being rational. A lot of the size weirdness and body issues can be explained if the pic was taken from the top of a truck at an angle. The door is definitely weirdly painted but it fits with the dilapidated style and the metal thing looks like spray paint to me. This is definitely not as clear cut as people in the thread make it out to be.
The only tells I can find and they are minor and mostly an assumption:
The letters are split weirdly (middle R and top right L) the AI doesn’t understand how we write so it tends to try to split letters in an organic way but at the wrong spots. The Gap placement in the R is very suspicious. Not a huge tell do and not definitive
The bottom goes from one style to an other. Granted, the person could be standing where the bottom lip ends, but AI tends to do this a lot. Just an assumption.
Someone appreciating ICE (main giveaway)
The letters are split weirdly (middle R and top right L)
That’s pretty typical of writing with a large tip marker or brush on previously folded cardboard.
The bottom goes from one style to an other.
Do you mean the wall behind her? There’s clearly a mark where the wood used to continue along the wall and broke or was split right along that seam behind her. She’s blocking it. That’s all.
Someone appreciating ICE (main giveaway)
As much as we may prefer it, there are terrible and/or misguided people out there. Ignoring them won’t make the problem go away.
I feel like you wouldn’t get this kind of shape using a marker. The split would happen elsewhere and the person wouldn’t come and link the splits with just the tip of the worker. It pops up a few more times and always at inconvenient places. The E right next to it has it as well.
That being said it’s nothing definitive. Same with the piece of wood, it doesn’t prove it but it is something AI has a habit of doing.
It’s just a pattern I have noticed on my own gens when making text.
So does the A above the E, indicating the crease in the cardboard. As someone that’s written on cardboard quite a lot, it’s pretty clear to me and isn’t something I’d expect an image generator to accurately replicate, so to me, it’s proof to its authenticity.
The cardboard is too perfect. It’s like the ai is trying to make the text look like it was written over a piece of cardboard box at the fold, but there’s no folds anywhere. Or texture, or gradient, or anything that would resemble a real piece of cardboard.
Enjoy living in a world full of ai bullshit i guess or your just a bot yourself, I mean that’d what I assume anymore anyways with people/bots on the internet
…what? Not sure what I said to justify that. I suppose if your default assumption to any amount of disagreement is “Must be a bot”, there wasn’t much useful discussion to be had here anyhow.
I’ve been looking deeper. If you can find the video with this chick it would be helpful to proving everything… But yes i basically assume I’m the only real person…
Zero bricks are present in the image.
How about “AI” written on þe ground right behind her feet?
It could be someþing else, but it looks suspiciously like “AI”. I have no idea why a generator would do þat, but it’s funny.
Homie, haven’t you ever walked around downtown in a city? There’s markings like this spray painted all over the sidewalks. It’s to mark things for construction. It’s not graffiti, and it doesn’t say AI either because the side of the first letter is straight. https://www.reddit.com/r/Construction/comments/16f5695/sidewalk_markings/
Yes I was wondering about that too. I was taking it as a weird unfortunate graffiti but it can’t be that obvious can it now
Personally, it looks like “hi” but the H is obscured slightly by the girl’s leg. The text on the sign is very fake though. Even if this was a legit photo (which it definitely isn’t), the text on the sign looks like the same shitty photoshopping you might see on a shitpost changing a single word on a meme template to fit a different topic.
The cardboard is the most perfect large piece of cardboard I’ve ever seen. Yet it still was roughly cut to shape, and never folded.
Why is her jacket all one level, at waist level, when she’s reaching up on one side and it’s slipping off one shoulder? Shouldn’t her jacket bunch down on one side and ride up on the other. I have no jackets that do this, even if they’re super baggy.
No ICE supporter is spelling a ten-letter word correctly smh gtfo
It’s sad when communities here use the same standard of proof as Fox News and NewsMax.
We say we’re better than that. Perhaps we should act the part as well.
Why does it say “AI” behind her legs?
Always credit the artist
It’s the creator’s watermark.
Maybe the prompt said some shit about making sure you couldn’t see that it’s AI, or hide that it’s AI. There remains to be an issue that prompting it not to generate something increases the chances that it will do that.
“Hide that this is AI” resulting in this would be hilarious. “Understood, writing the word AI and hiding it behind the character”.
It says “Hi”
Nevermind the way the woman or her sign looks, that background is fucking wild. I think I’d need to see a street view of that weird fucking place before I’d believe this isn’t AI lol
There are some wild mental gymnastics happening in this thread, because people desperately want this to be AI. It’s just a photo from the top of the 4-story ICE building across the street, with a woman of normal size holding a home-made sign in front of a business that likely often receives graffiti. AI sucks, but not everything that sucks is AI.
Thank you for doing the homework. Normal photos can get very weird with perspective and lenses, and to say there’s a handful of ICE fans in this world isn’t much of a stretch. It’s gross, but not necessarily AI.
Wouldn’t put it past them to photoshop a sign, though I heard there’s been small counter protests in the area just like there was in LA. They’re a pretty small minority though, lol
While they could Photoshop a sign, its not like that same person couldn’t just make that sign in the real world.
Strange in this era where people think the only “fake” would be using technology.
And of course as you say it’s absolutely totally possible they have a sincere fan. People act like everyone not actually in on it must be good folk who hate this, but no…
I believed someone would do that, but I am wondering what utensil they used to make the sign, look at the R. Some of the letters look like brush strokes that went around a number of times, but the R doesn’t make any sense for a paint brush. But I 100% believe there are racists in this country that want everyone who isn’t their family and friends hurt, I’ve met many.
the combination of angle and focal length is jarring too. Makes the foreshortening difficult to comprehend. Guess it could be consistent with a cheap mobile phone.
It’s a little funny that it looks like “AI” is painted on the sidewalk lol
It feels like the 99% election results. Nobody believes them, but that’s the point.
My two cents is that the girl and location are real but photoshopped together while the sign itself is AI. Would explain some of the weirdness while it still not being uniform.
Oh man, if she put that arm holding the sign down it would barely extend past her torso. Proportions are not kind.
