To declare a “National Emergency”, he probably needs a cause. How does American law deal with those “National Emergency” situations? Does he need some proof? Does he need confirmation from somewhere?
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Gee, I wonder what the solution will be if other countries wont take our undesirables.
War?
I for one am a bit interested with what happens when they target natives?
Candy canes and free showers.
Please deport me harder orange man.
Wrong community. This dystopia is about get real interesting, real fast 😬
I would’ve rather had it not be a dystopia, but silver lining and all that.
You can’t beat Trump’s brand of fascism with spineless morally flexible subservient people. People are going to have to fight back do what they can. Dems are already rolling over in advance and some are going to fight with what resources they have. It is going to be rough.
The dems are the wimpy kids who internalized being nice to their bullies will somehow earn them respect and show they are the better people. In reality their abusers only hold them in even more contempt and spit at them at every turn.
Time to get used to hunger
You can always quit meat! The “middlemen” eat more vegetation than you would directly.
You really saw this and thought “great opportunity to shill veganism”
What is so fucked up is how incredibly ignorant and stupid Trump and his policymaker picks are… like when they talk about how the tarifs would skyrocket the prices of basic imported foods (foods that CANNOT be grown anywhere in the United States) their response was ‘maybe Americans shouldn’t be eating those foods’.
This is fucking insane. I mean are they aware that the only place that coffee can be grown in the entirety of the United States is Hawaii? And I guarantee you, every single bit of coffee grown there will not be anywhere near enough to meet the demand that Americans have. What about chocolate? You like Chocolate? The overwhelming majority of chocolate in the world is grown in West Africa. But that is besides the point. There would be no chocolate for the average American as it would be simply too expensive. Most chocolate on the market today only contains a small bit of chocolate anyway, the other crap is just fat and sugar. After Trump does his tarifs it will be ALL fat and sugar and anything containing real chocolate will be an absolute luxury that no regular American will afford.
I could go on forever. But I am sure you realize just how FUCKED people are going to be. And don’t think for one moment that it is going to be an exclusively American problem. I am a Canadian, but a shitload of food products here are also packaged and manufactured in the United States, meaning that the price those companies, like the Kraft-Heinz (which is the 2nd largest food manfucturer in the world) have to pay for their ingredients will mean that the price for everyone will go up, even if they don’t live in the United States.
They’ll just create new farmland for previously unused parts of the US for coffee, chocolate, rice, avocados, bananas… In Alaska for example, there’s lots of empty land there. They’ve thought of everything.
You’re absolutely right, I’m just worrying more about mass starvation than about coffee and chocolate. This is the practice run before climate change famine.
In Canada due to serious price gouging by supermarket retailers have been doing is resulting in MASSIVE food waste (people simply cannot buy the shit anymore, and what do they do? Just throw away tons upon tons of perfectly good food), and what is even more outrageous is that the price for some critical produce is actually so high that in some places there are cases of scurvy, which the company addresses as a big ‘so what? Here are some steps…’ as if it is the most normal thing in the world…
The only time I ever heard of scurvy in my life was when I was reading history books about pirates and old-timey sea travel where long-voyages in times without refrigeration and lack of nutritional understanding meant that the food they ate was seriously lacking in most vitamins, so sailors would get diseases like scurvy that no one living on land could ever get… yet now we’re living in a time that where we are surrounded by vitamin enriched everything and people are getting that crap because they cannot afford it due to gouging and landlords wanting to bring back 19th century slum stuffing…
Oh look at what you made me do, waste all this food.
Due to all this waste I have no choice but to raise prices to compensate.
The prices will continue to rise until morale improves.
CONSUME.
Don’t forget to put all the books in a pile and set fire to them. And smash their shop windows.
They have been doing that for years against the ‘wokes’ all the while publishing books that they claim the wokes want to burn when they never did. In their minds anything other than unmitigated cheerleading and throwing support is tantamount to a book burning.
Nice, by the book. The fascist admin guide as seen in most of Europe, recently
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.
A lot of Americans don’t feel this is authoritarian and actually welcome it. They would love to have Trump as president for life.
Yeah and that is one the reasons the argument is dumb. Fascists often are supported by big parts of the population. They arent going to be displaced by them. Especially in america
If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.
Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government?
Our arms don’t exactly match theirs. The military has a lot more budget than citizens.
Dude, if they didn’t rise up when the kids were cages during Trump’s first term then it is clear they are the brownshirts.
Right, which is why the whole 2nd amendment argument is silly in this day and age.
If we go by the text, only “americans” have that right. Now, the important question is “what is an american”? What characterizes a “non-american” according to the founding fathers?
White male wealthy supremacists?
Dammit! Foiled by racists once again!
…you’d think I’d put /s, but no.
I don’t doubt that is how the current supreme court would interpret it. This approach of asking “how the founding fathers would think” results in exclusion of non-white citizens. On the other hand, lack of atandardized identification documents in the USA result in this mess.
Also the definition of what the founding fathers had of white was extremely different. It was only people from Britain that were white. The English, Scottish, and Welsh. No one else. Not the Germans, Irish, or Swedes even.
Are you under the impression that the founding fathers weren’t slave holders themselves?
No
Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones’ worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?
Anyone?
No one?
Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!
I know that feel. Worst part is that probably will happen to us
Being from austin and listening to him on the radio while driving occasionally yea I member
With conservatives every accusation is just projection
Damn. I feel you. I wrote mine a cease and desist and moved 700mi.
I successfully ghosted mine to the point that they probably think I am dead.
Also moved many hundreds of miles away lol.
You read well enough to create a chosen family. Best of luck!
All in due time, thanks for the well wishes =D
I guess if it was just illegal immigrants then it wouldn’t be Americans, so it wouldn’t be what they feared. But very close.
I don’t remember that actually. I’m not saying he didn’t say those things. I’m just saying that I never listened to a word that mouth breather said.
I remember that. He would usually say martial law. I think national emergencies are different and invoked more often by both Dems and GOP. Could be wrong
Operation Jade Helm
Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year
If he actually succeeds in doing this, guess who’s going to be made to fill in that hole.
If you lived in the 80’s, you know where you’re going with this.
Prisons. Good old indentured servitude.
Get ready for more jaywalking arrests.
Yup.
Obviously the answer is to tax billionaires, but that’s never going to happen.
This is step one to collapsing Social Security and Medicare.
Knee cap all the funding from folks who never collect on it, then say, see? It’s collapsing earlier than we thought.
Illegals aren’t growing crops, prisons step in, now prisons are growing crops, now prisons are profiteering from growing crops, higher food prices despite the ““free”” labor as they have conflicts with farmers…
messy messy messy situation
Great if you own a prison, tho.
Isn’t this basically the start of how megacorps destroyed the agriculture industry in Cyberpunk?
The funny part is that that is still likely less that a bus load of billionairs actually paying their taxes like the rest of us do.
Kids that aren’t even born yet (debt spending).
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This dystopia is starting to heat up 😬
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where are those loud mouthed lefties
my blocked list
…what? Did anyone ever say that Harris and trump were the same? I’m not sure I ever heard that…
I’ve heard a lot of criticisms rephrased as “bOth SiDes sAMe” by the person with whom they were arguing.
Usually because Palestine. I fucking swear if 7 million stayed home over Palestine…
Bro, you need that /s
“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
I never heard a single person claim the parties were the same this election cycle, and I certainly didn’t hear anyone say they wouldn’t vote for Harris because, “the Democratic Party isn’t perfect.” I heard lots of people say things like, “I can’t vote for Harris because she’s supporting a genocide,” and while I believe they should have voted for her based upon harm reduction, I understand their perspective and I’m not going to reduce it to a false caricatures.
Does it matter bro? They sold out all the women and queers in America for a country that hates women and queers. (Im lgbt i can say that)
What are you talking about, we had Jill Stein zombies up the ass who are oddly gone missing
Why would Jill Stein voters keep talking about Jill Stein now on articles that have nothing to do with her? None of the people who voted for her swayed the election at all. It’s not like anyone here is happy Trump won – we all despise him. Third-party voters are in the same boat and doing the same thing as everyone else: figuring out how to survive or escape a country that just lost almost all its checks and balances.
Sorry, it’s true though. Every vote for a third party was a vote for Trump.
Every vote for a third party was a vote for Trump.
by definition, they weren’t
Oh FUCK OFF ALREADY with that garbage. It’s over.
Sho is. Thanks.
I’ve seen the person who posted this article, return2ozma, called a Russian troll account at least once a week since I joined Lemmy, so color me skeptical. Who knows, maybe you’re right, but if so, then you’re the instance that cried, “bot,” one too many times.
Edit: Based on the original commenters edit, I think we solved the mystery of why all the, “bots,” suddenly disappeared.
I’m not missing, not a zombie… some people cope easier with losing by pretending that antigenocide users are bots. I’m still here though amused that the Cheney-loving genocide supporters that lost still think they are morally and intellectually superior.
The blood of those Trump will kill are on your hands, not mine stranger.
Your comment is abhorrent.
Edit: You don’t know the person you’re talking to. They voted third party and it had no effect on the outcome of the election, yet you are here telling them that they share blame for the harm and death that is about to come to thousands of people at the hands of an authoritarian dictator that they did not vote for.
That is not true and it is not okay. That is straight up abusive. Direct your anger elsewhere.
My hands are clean. I didn’t support a genocide candidate. Any blood will be on the hands of the Kamala campaign for praising a war criminal and saying that she’d continue paying tax dollars to Israel to massacre innocent civilians.
“You should have worked with the murderer to kill more people instead of taking a chance calling the cops!”
I mean ACAB and all that, but damn
Ah yes the benevolent serial killer that is just expediting the ending of suffering. Kamala was just helping women and kids respawn so they could join back on Team America.
Lol Gaza is going to be straight annihilated under Trump and you’ll still somehow feel righteous.
Gaza was straight up annihilated under Biden and no I don’t feel righteous because it was still my country supporting it. I am proud to not have personally voted for a candidate that feels righteous supporting those doing the enslaving and genocide though. Your argument that people should vote for the plantation owner cause the other one will own more slaves isn’t appealing and clearly wasn’t a winning strategy. If you were concerned about slaves then you would have rejected the idea of owning plantations altogether.
You didn’t support a genocide candidate, but you failed to prevent an outcome 100x worse. You claim to wash your hands of it, but you’re using bullshit as soap.
I didn’t fail to prevent anything. I’ve never been good at lying to myself and others by pretending that bullshit soap is high quality lavender soap. If you want me to sell lavender soap then give me lavender soap to sell.
The goal of the bots and trolls was to amplify a false comparison, and generate infighting in the anti-trump crowd. The fact that you still exist here is proof that it was money well spent.
So you believe absent bots and trolls that people would have been unified alongside Kamala on their support and commitment to genocide?
This place was rife with bots spreading Jill Stein and Claudia de La Cruz propaganda and all of them have completely vanished.
Yeah, but was it, though? Or was it full of people making legitimate criticisms of the Democratic Party only to get accused of being bots or told they thought, “both sides,” were the same? Because I know which of these two things I’ve seen more of in the last year.
Maybe they were humans who’ve realized how dumb they were and ceased posting? One can hope, anyway…
Not sure about others, but I was banned from a lot of communities for daring to speak of the inconvenient truths about Kamala. It could just be that the procensorship fascist left banned them all because they didn’t fall in line with the establishment talking points.
…What are the inconvenient truths?
Edit: Ah, I just looked at your removed comments defending Nazis and shit. Don’t care, nevermind. Don’t bother responding, I’ve already blocked you.
Yeah no you’re a liar and that is your modus operandi to claim anyone you want to silence is an antisemite Nazi supporter. I said it is illegal in the United States to beat people until they defecate. You do not get to be the judge, jury & executioner. You can’t claim to be against fascism while at the same time admitting you love the idea, just as long as it against people you don’t like. That thread devolved into people planning with details about how they would commit crimes, including advocating for murdering people, and encouraging people to do it… Some dad said they might but doesn’t want to go to jail, but who knows. Not sure why Lemmy is allowing people to promote and plan crime when it is against their ToS.
